Disturbing scene
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gijane71 — 20 years ago(September 11, 2005 12:57 PM)
My problem with this whole scene is this:
One - Girl got taken advantage of (she doesn't remember anything, she wakes up in her hotel room, he stuff is gone and she is bleeding from the rectum - people - she was raped)
Two - Madonna was not the only one lacking in sympathy. The backup singers were just as callous. (The only one who DID seem to care was the Dancer - Carlton I think is his name).
Three - The only reason someone messed with her was because she was with the Madonna Tour?!!?? Madonna - women and men are victimized all the time - just because she mentioned she was with YOU you think that is why they messed with her? Get a clue.
Madonna's reaction did not shock me - typical of a rich spoiled little girl who was given a LOT as a child (for those who think she grew up in poverty - this is where Madonna grew up http://www.rochesterhills.org/. And as for the living in poverty in New York story as a struggling dancer??? Pauhleeeaase! You don't hang out with Basquiat and other artist types in New York and starve - she was with Alvin Ailey and Perl Lang - far from the doldrums and ghettos of NY). She claims to have street smarts but when the streets you grow up on are almost as posh as Beverly Hills - you don't have compassion.
More on Madonna's 'poor' upbringing:
http://www.villageofrochesterhills.com/
http://www.kk5im.com/comportfolio/comimages/rochester36.jpg
And when your a multi-millionaire, if the area is poor, why would you dad still live there and how would the house sell so high?:
http://www.hollywood.com/news/detail/article/1097914 -
londonbird — 20 years ago(September 14, 2005 12:43 AM)
Wow Jane, what a lot of anger. You seem to be seeing everything completely one sided.
- It could be possible that Mama Makeup made up the whole story to garner attention. She was laughing and joking right after the alleged rape.
- We do not know with absolute certainty that Madonna was unsympathetic. Editing, or the fact that she like me felt it was made up would warrant the lack of sympathy.
- Mama Makeup drew attention to herself by stating she was on Madonna's tour. Anyone listening, who may have not paid Mama a second look would have their interest piqued by the Madonna name being bandied about.
For someone who is not a fan you seem to know a dangerous amount about Madonna. I say dangerous because is it not at all possible that the area with in Rochester that Madonna lived prior to 12 (as the article states) was poor. I live in an incredibly wealthy part of London but believe me when I say there are a) council estates in the same area and b) my house ain't all that! It does also state with in the article that Madonna moved there when she was 12 and that her step mother was there also. Could it not be possible that her father and step ma pooled there respective house profits and bought that one house.
As to the amount the house sold for, the price was inflated because it was Madonnas childhodd home, the article does say that. It was only worth about $270,00 which is about 170,00. It is only a four bedroom and in 2001 the rate of exchange etc as it was that house only went for approx 200,000 which is what my two bed cr@p hole is worth!
Also, why should her dad move? He is happy there, he has lived there all his life and has friends and a job. Why should he leave the area because his daughter is wealthy?
Think before you write. You have managed to make yourself look a bit silly and, in truth, a tad jealous as well.
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londonbird — 20 years ago(September 20, 2005 05:37 AM)
OOO, that was cutting. What a very witty repartee you have. So, I win the point then as you can not justify what I said.
I stand by everything in my post. I also was not nasty to you. I stated fact and truth. You, however, have managed a bitchy comeback which AGAIN, makes you look very very silly. -
Rollywood — 20 years ago(April 04, 2006 09:12 AM)
Your post/justifications there are so stupid and ridiculous, that nobody would bother answer.
I wouldn't have said it, but you asked for it (by insisting that she answers you): some people cannot go that low and answer endlessly to a moron. -
katiewon — 20 years ago(January 22, 2006 11:36 AM)
From everything I have heard and read, nothing indicates Madonna grew up in poverty. Her father always had a good job, he married the housekeeper for god sakes! Rochester Hills is an affluence area - many auto execs had homes there.
As for her life in New York, the girl struggled. Many of the "famous" people she knew, like Basquiat, were just starting out like her. How much do you think struggling dancers make? She has talked about living on Cheethos. In the very beginning she dressed like a thrift store, because that's where her clothes came from. Not D&G. I'm sure she never told her family about all her struggles, because they would probably say "forget New York and come home." The last thing she wanted to do. Better to suffer on your own and live your dream. I know what I'm talking about, my daughter moved to New York at 17 to be in a band - "living her dream". I know she struggles, but won't tell me everything and won't leave either. As a parent, you don't want your child to suffer, but you have to let them live and learn about life.
Which takes us to the topic at handthe story told by the makeup artist aka the rape of MaMa. I think she was intoxicated and taken advantage ofand was simply reporting what happened, but also feeling partially responsible for her actions, that is why everyone seemed to be laughing at her. It was "you are not going to believe what happened to me last night" kind of things. I also agree that we don't know what happened when the cameras left, or how this was edited. So to say that Madonna was indifferent or didn't care, I don't think that would be true. She has admitted to being raped herself in NY. -
mjoltje — 20 years ago(October 05, 2005 05:50 AM)
Madonna wasn't "poor" as a child, she is from a working class family. The house has four bedrooms but she has has 6 brothers and sisters!
As the oldest gils in the house, Madonna grew up really fast without a mother to watch over her. She was a fighter and had a really lonely time when she first came to New York.
Madonna grew up being rather selfish and ego-driven, that is true and some parts of the movie really show that side of her personality. But remember that a person is never just 'one thing'.
She admits she used to be extremely ego-driven and she hurt a lot of people because of it. She has changed a lot since then and allows us to witness that change. She isn't scared of being herself and falling flat-down on her face. I think that makes her a great person. -
CockDiesel — 20 years ago(October 17, 2005 10:54 PM)
I watched the documentary for the first time since it originally came out. I was VERY disturbed by Madonna laughing at what Carlton told her as well as ignoring and brushing off the comments from the victim. Madonna's backup singers always seemed like they kissed up to her.
And the nasty, insensitive comments about the victim being a fat girl who asked to be raped or just was desperate for attention are truly sickening. Some people are a little too high on Madonna. Anyone who laughs at a rape isn't a great person.The universe may be paying her back, Madonna looks old and tired now.Perhaps she should retire.
Raven
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cclub — 20 years ago(January 11, 2006 10:04 AM)
Cold hard truth, some rape victims bring in their own misery. They are some stupid females. Would you let a stranger in your room for a night? They are h.oes.
I don't care what you feminist bytches call me. That is the truth. Many types of rapes can be avoided. -
AND77 — 20 years ago(January 26, 2006 02:32 PM)
OK, I heard about this scene before I ever saw the movie - how Madonna supposedly laughs at a tour assistant when she tells Madonna she was raped. But after actually watching it, it wasn't that disturbing because the make-up artist herself is really not that upset. She even giggles at one point herself when she's talking to the dancers about it.
I honestly believe that if she'd come to Madonna BEFORE going to the gossipy dancers, crying and genuinely distraught about the possibility that she was raped, Madonna would have taken her a lot more seriously. The make-up artist came off to me as a person who was sweet, but really wanted attention. Madonna laughed because she didn't think it was true.
In this world, it's not your boss' responsibility to call the police and report a rape - especially when it happened when you weren't working. If this woman were really upset, she would have at least gone to a doctor to get checked out - I know I would have if I woke up with the symptoms she described. -
ed.powell@btinternet.com — 20 years ago(March 20, 2006 05:05 AM)
cclub,
Fine, but dude, there's a way of forming and delivering your argument that won't make you sound like a jabbering moron looking to provoke a reaction.
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indiefilmrat — 20 years ago(March 20, 2006 10:42 AM)
Just an idea, but to me it seems like none of you guys were there to see what happened or what kind of people these people really are. Maybe the assistant was making it up, maybe Madonna is an insensitive bitch, nobody will really know unless they were on the tour, so is it really worth arguing about?
If the scene makes you uncomfortable, maybe it would help to think that her assistant might have been making up the story to get a reaction from Madonna. Like people have said, she had a tour to run so maybe this person thought they weren't getting enough attention. If that doesn't work for you, you have the right to think that Madonna is a bitch for laughing because she may very well be. But in the end, is it worth the time to argue about since nobody will really know what happened?
