Although not a Madonna fan I saw this when it first came out in the theater. There's a scene about half way through that
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doughdee222 — 21 years ago(December 21, 2004 10:28 PM)
Although not a Madonna fan I saw this when it first came out in the theater. There's a scene about half way through that disturbed me because I think it says more about Madonna's character than anything else in the film, and it's not good.
(It's been a long time since I've seen it so please pardon me if the details are fuzzy or a bit wrong.)
Throughout the film Madonna says that her crew is like family and that she would do anything for them. Then consider this scene: Madonna is at a makeup table in the morning adjusting her looks when one of her assistants walks in. The assistant reports that she was just gang raped by some boys who figured that she must be sexually free because she works with Madonna. She is obviously upset by this but the only solution offered is not to go out alone. Madonna doesn't bat an eye and is apparently uncerned about the rape. If the crew members were really "like family" shouldn't she have been outraged? Shouldn't she immediately comfort the assistant then drag her to the police and doctors for tests, exams and report filing? The police could have arrested those boys within the day.
Am I right in this or am I reading too much into the scene? Did this bother anyone else?
-Doughdee222
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ricardito-1 — 21 years ago(January 09, 2005 08:43 AM)
well actually now you mention it that is pretty messed. i watched the film again yesterday, and i was also surprised to see how business like she was at the end of the tour. her dancers are crying and are really emotional and she has almost switched and dealing with it very business like. not one tear from madonna!
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rocco-1 — 21 years ago(April 03, 2005 01:11 PM)
She's been through this TOUR THING for so many times. You can't cry everytime. She is her own person. So what if she doesnt get teared up about not touring with those drama queeRs again. I would be releaved.(keep in mind that I am gay as wellso im not being homophobic..but those dancers were annoying and ignorant people..most of them didnt deserve Madonna's sympathy)
When the news broke out to Madonna that her dancer's makeup artist has been raped, SHE KNEW DAMN WELL WHY. This makeup artist (who is obviously mentally slow) told the guys at a club that she is tourning with Madonna and told them what hotel they are staying at. MADONNA knows beep like this happens. MAYBE she talked to the rape victim AFTER and it wasnt filmed. they cant include EVERY SINGLE minute in the Docu. Even if she didntwho cares. Madonna has an important Tour to run and the last thing she needs tyo do is become emotional about a fat woman that brought on her own rape. The wonman that got raped was laughing about it and showed up to work FINE the next day.
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Paathogen — 20 years ago(May 20, 2005 08:11 PM)
That's one of the most distrubing comments I have ever read.
You say this "fat woman" "brought on her own rape"??
How old are you? NO woman (or man)no matter what they say, how they dress, or how they act ASKS for rape. She is NOT responsible, in ANY WAY for being raped. The men who raped her are the ones at fault NOT her.
You admit freely that you are gay. Does that mean if some homophobic ***hole beat the crap out of you you were asking for it? Certainly not.
No one deserves to be raped, beaten or hurt. Your comment shows that you're immature and prehaps slightly slow.
I work as a prison counselor. I talk to inmates everyday most of the time they come to me because they are scared about being raped or attacked. Some of them actually HAVE been raped. It's a horrible, traumatic, violent event.
Your cavalier and nonchalant attitude proves you know NOTHING about the horrors of rape- and I hope you never have to find out. -
petebuckingham — 20 years ago(June 08, 2005 06:26 AM)
I agree, MaMA Makeup did seem to be asking for it. Her behaviour was peculiar. I mean someone spiking her cranberry juice..come onget real. Its just a fat girl desperate for attention. Madonna was right to laugh.
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okcguy27 — 20 years ago(July 08, 2005 12:10 PM)
I'm in complete agreement with Paathogen. Some of the other posts here are just as callous and even more so than how the event was portrayed in the film. If anything if "Mama Make-up" was slow, it's all the more reason to be outraged. This is a disturbing scene in the film and the way it is laughed off by even Madonna herself suggests that if it doesn't happen to Madonna, it doesn't matter. I love Madonna as an artist and she's fascinating to watch, but I've never seen such a self-absorbed person in my life.
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lauren7312 — 20 years ago(October 10, 2005 11:52 AM)
I thought she was shoved off by Madonna and the back up singers too. Notice how they are fixing their make-up and ignoring her when she is talking about the incident? Also nobody commented on this Madonna LAUGHED when Carlton told her what happened. SHE LAUGHED!!! I like Madonna but that was totally inappropriate.
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macklin-1 — 19 years ago(December 01, 2006 03:21 AM)
If you hated that post, you're gonna really hate this one. Many, including the press felt a lot of it wasn't true nor was a police report ever filed. It was clear there were a lot of holes in her story. BTW - She said she was close with her dancers & Mellisa (her PA) not this Make-up person. And she was the cancers make-up artist, not madonna's
"Your cavalier and nonchalant attitude proves you know NOTHING about the horrors of rape- and I hope you never have to find out."
Her cavalier and nonchalant about the whole thing kind of tells me she knows NOTHING about the horrors of rape- and I hope she never will. -
valro — 16 years ago(February 14, 2010 08:41 PM)
There have been rumors floating around for years that Madonna was raped while she was living in New York City. There's a rape scene in the movie "A Certain Sacrfice" and she played it very convincingly. Given her reputation for being a terrible actress, she might have been drawing from her real life experience instead of acting.
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Bloodfordracula — 14 years ago(July 26, 2011 09:40 PM)
Madonna's 'rape' experience was actually this: a black man held Madonna at knife-point on the roof of a building and made her perform oral sex on him. This happened in New York City sometime between 1979 - 1981.
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robotrix — 14 years ago(July 30, 2011 03:12 PM)
To "McMadonna" (over a million served) being "raped" meant she screwed someone and didn't get anything in return for it.
One of her straight dancers is upset that a tabloid says he's gay and she immediately reacts to the other dancers teasing him.
This woman gets date raped and she laughs (apologizing when she realizes she's on camera) and never even says a word to the woman. Even the female dancers take their lead from her and roll their eyes as the woman tries to talk to them about it.
Madonna's a typical case of a woman who sees all other straight women as the enemy (never forgave her mother for dying and "leaving" and the step-mother who got between her and Daddy) and enjoys it when something bad happens to them.Last night, I was lying back looking at the stars and I thoughtwhere the beep is my ceiling???
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VerucaSalt234 — 17 years ago(June 23, 2008 07:19 PM)
Paathogen,
I totally agree with you. I am glad you were the next post following his because when I read people's posts that are in that tone - it makes me wonder what the hell happened to humanity?
Responding to Rocco's BS brigade:
This makeup artist (who is obviously mentally slow) told the guys at a club that she is tourning with Madonna and told them what hotel they are staying at. MADONNA knows beep like this happens.
Rocco, you insensitive a-hole Who cares whether she told the guys at the club that she was touring with Madonna? Why would that make someone think they can violate a woman (or a man)? That makes no sense whatsoever.
MAYBE she talked to the rape victim AFTER and it wasnt filmed. they cant include EVERY SINGLE minute in the Docu. Even if she didntwho cares. Madonna has an important Tour to run and the last thing she needs tyo do is become emotional about a fat woman that brought on her own rape.
Who cares???? I think the woman who got raped CARES. Would you want your mother, sister, brother or father to ever be violated like that? And NO woman (or man) ever is to blame that some pervert forced themselves onto them. If she was raped - then that means she said "NO" and was forced into doing something she did not wish to do. And NOBODY has the right to violate a person's body in that manner. -
TheKissOfLife — 20 years ago(October 31, 2005 11:14 PM)
You people are some of the most insensitive sons of bitches i've ever had the displeasure of coming into contact with. just to save madonna's ass.
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londonbird — 20 years ago(November 07, 2005 05:58 AM)
It is nothing to do with saving madonnas Arse. It is being able to see it for what it is. EDITED. If you watch it and are aware at all times that it is edited to garner a reaction then you are watching it with maturity and intelligence. Plus, before you go into one, even the make up girl was laughing.
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Rollywood — 20 years ago(April 04, 2006 09:04 AM)
What other comment is to be expected from sb with the nickname rocco-1?
Did anybody asked her to cry? And what's the situation got to do with homophobia or the fact that you are gay (that you felt like mentioning it)?
No. This is just about her being a pretty fake/superficial person, who did the movie (hence the quote: the crew is like my family) more for her image and/or (like many others) for money. That scene/situation proves several disturbing things:- she was not that affected by what happened to her assistant
- either she thought "she deserved it" OR from her pov rapes are not such a bad thing
- she either lied when she said "the crew is like my family" OR she wouldn't have cared more even if it would have been her real sister the one getting raped
- the advice she gave the assistant is a joke
- not taking (or at least sending) her to the doctor/police, shows that she doesn't care about the rapers being found/punished
- it's well known that most people obsessed with (all kinds of) sex, like her, also have rape fantasies. Some wouldn't even mind ending up one day in a "mild" rape (no severe injuries). Her attitude proves her one of these.
- the fact that the girl seemed ok the next day, proves maybe that her sex-oriented concerts/attitudes/mentality/etc keeps the whole crue in such an atmosphere, that everything related to sex - including a rape apparently - is not such a bad thing. A rape day is just another type of bad day for her maybe. Like you had some kind of indigestion/food poisoning: it makes you feel bad, maybe horrible for the moment, you have to take care about the cause in the feature, but that's it. Next day you can go on with your life like nothing happened. Correct me if this doesn't seem to be the attitude of both of them in the movie (more or less)
- and last but not least: the fact that she let this "slip" into the movie (don't tell me she didn't realize how the public will react, or at least sb around her must have told her), it shows that she wants to kinda induce this kind of mentality (see previous point) also to the fans/general public.
Probably for her a world in which a raped person would be able to get over it the next day would be a perfect world. Also because a "bad" day for sb in this case, would make it worth for the raper, left with a "nice" memory, "unspoiled" by further prosecution & punishment.
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NorthernLad — 11 years ago(May 04, 2014 08:24 AM)
Oh wowyou're an idiot. Anyone who would defend that type of reaction after someone was supposedly rape has to be an idiot.
FYI, I'm pretty sure the entire thing was staged. I would sincerely hope that Madonna would not be that callous to someone's assault.
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