Although not a Madonna fan I saw this when it first came out in the theater. There's a scene about half way through that
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CockDiesel — 20 years ago(October 17, 2005 10:54 PM)
I watched the documentary for the first time since it originally came out. I was VERY disturbed by Madonna laughing at what Carlton told her as well as ignoring and brushing off the comments from the victim. Madonna's backup singers always seemed like they kissed up to her.
And the nasty, insensitive comments about the victim being a fat girl who asked to be raped or just was desperate for attention are truly sickening. Some people are a little too high on Madonna. Anyone who laughs at a rape isn't a great person.The universe may be paying her back, Madonna looks old and tired now.Perhaps she should retire.
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cclub — 20 years ago(January 11, 2006 10:04 AM)
Cold hard truth, some rape victims bring in their own misery. They are some stupid females. Would you let a stranger in your room for a night? They are h.oes.
I don't care what you feminist bytches call me. That is the truth. Many types of rapes can be avoided. -
AND77 — 20 years ago(January 26, 2006 02:32 PM)
OK, I heard about this scene before I ever saw the movie - how Madonna supposedly laughs at a tour assistant when she tells Madonna she was raped. But after actually watching it, it wasn't that disturbing because the make-up artist herself is really not that upset. She even giggles at one point herself when she's talking to the dancers about it.
I honestly believe that if she'd come to Madonna BEFORE going to the gossipy dancers, crying and genuinely distraught about the possibility that she was raped, Madonna would have taken her a lot more seriously. The make-up artist came off to me as a person who was sweet, but really wanted attention. Madonna laughed because she didn't think it was true.
In this world, it's not your boss' responsibility to call the police and report a rape - especially when it happened when you weren't working. If this woman were really upset, she would have at least gone to a doctor to get checked out - I know I would have if I woke up with the symptoms she described. -
ed.powell@btinternet.com — 20 years ago(March 20, 2006 05:05 AM)
cclub,
Fine, but dude, there's a way of forming and delivering your argument that won't make you sound like a jabbering moron looking to provoke a reaction.
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indiefilmrat — 20 years ago(March 20, 2006 10:42 AM)
Just an idea, but to me it seems like none of you guys were there to see what happened or what kind of people these people really are. Maybe the assistant was making it up, maybe Madonna is an insensitive bitch, nobody will really know unless they were on the tour, so is it really worth arguing about?
If the scene makes you uncomfortable, maybe it would help to think that her assistant might have been making up the story to get a reaction from Madonna. Like people have said, she had a tour to run so maybe this person thought they weren't getting enough attention. If that doesn't work for you, you have the right to think that Madonna is a bitch for laughing because she may very well be. But in the end, is it worth the time to argue about since nobody will really know what happened? -
jnm1980 — 19 years ago(May 18, 2006 12:05 AM)
I have seen more ridiculous comments on this thread than perhaps any other I've ever seen on IMDb. First of all, Madonna's upbringing has nothing to do with her reaction.
Second of all, her being a sucky person does. I'm going to treat the "some women it bring it on themselves" argument as nonexistent for this post, because even the biggest slut in the world can say no. If you brought the sickest, dirtiest whore in the world to your place and she said no, it's rape if you do. That's all there is to it. She says no, it's over or it's rape.
The part that no one has brought up is that regardless of this woman's intentions, anyone with a heart would react to that claim with sympathy. You figure out later if she was lying or not, but you show sympathy to begin with.
And to prove wrong another major misconception: People who want attention are people-pleasers. This means they don't want people to be uncomfortable. So when they say uncomfortable things, they correct themselves or they laugh to make it more comfortable.
My guess is that all the insensitive people on this board don't know anybody who's ever been raped. Actually, let me correct that. All the insensitive people don't know that some of their friends, family, or acquaintances have been raped. And they most definitely did not bring it on themselves.
Or perhaps, these insensitive people are the rapists. Because, of course, these girls bring it on themselves. When she flirted with you, she meant she wanted to have sex with you, and she can't change her mind about that. It's too late.