What kind of sick people are you?!
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m-kerl — 21 years ago(September 02, 2004 11:42 PM)
Oh dear.better relax.
Dont forget - it is a movie. And the girl is not a 12 year old..she is PLAYING a 12-year old.
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karl-mauk-1 — 21 years ago(September 14, 2004 02:48 AM)
Sorry, m-kerl, you are wrong. Both Lara Wendel's and Eva Ionesco's birth year is 1965. They were twelve when the film was made in 1977. You can easily verify that looking up their bios here on the imdb.
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Bitter_Almonds — 21 years ago(September 04, 2004 06:53 AM)
As far as the moral question goes, I'd be more interested to read what Eva Ionesco would have to say about it. Her mother, Irina, does not think this is "sick", but, then, I guess that would make her a sexual deviant who likes to sit in the dark watching her own child undress. The guys who like to see 12 year olds strolling around would get the same kicks out of watching the Mickey Mouse Club and teenybopper music vids, so this film isn't pushing any tendencies further than what was already there. From the synopsis, I gather this story involved teenagers simulating sex. Wow. What a shocking concept. A story about teenagers who are sexually aware - who'd have imagined? When this sort of theme is placed in a comedy, like American Pie, it's hilarious, but as soon as there is a slight tone of realism to it, it becomes the fodder of sick people and paedophiles. Well, hell, let's go straight to music stores right now and demand they pull down all of Britney Spears's, Christina Aguilera's, and Mandy Moore's videos, posters, and music since they delve into similar subjects themselves
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potless — 21 years ago(January 12, 2005 09:55 AM)
I would hardly think that Irina Ionesco would think it was sick after all this was a woman who took semi-pornographic pictures of her pre-teen daughter which ended up on the internet. This film was released in 1977 when the child stars were barely twelve, slightly different from American Pie I don't recall any 18 year old boys simulating sex with eleven or twelve year old girls. How old are Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and Mandy Moore?
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Bitter_Almonds — 21 years ago(January 12, 2005 10:23 PM)
I asked what Eva Ionesco would think nowadays, not what Irina would say. Also, the idea that in a movie like
American Pie
teen sex is glorified shows a two-faced society morbidly obsessed with such a thing, yet decries it at the same time in other instances. Lastly, Britnay, Christina, and Mandy all began their Pop Idol careers when they were underage and their publicists were pushing their innocent-yet-naughty image to sell more albums. In other words, there's way too much inconsistency to see certain films as bad and other elements that sexualize minors as good.
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potless — 21 years ago(January 13, 2005 01:22 PM)
Correct me if I am wrong the main characters in American Pie were aged from 20 years upwards when the series of films began, they portrayed teenagers of 18 years plus that is a slightly different situation to a girl aged eleven when filming began portraying a girl of twelve engaging in illegal activity with a male many years older than her
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Bitter_Almonds — 21 years ago(January 13, 2005 03:05 PM)
So, in other words, the portrayal of teen sex is alright with you as long as the actors are of legal age. Anyway, you are wrong. Nowhere in the
American Pie
movies does it say how old the characters are supposed to be. I never stated that the actors of
American Pie
were underage. I said that the theme of having sex during the teenage years is something to laugh about, but under any other circumstance, out come the crosses and the holy water. Correct me if I am wrong, but has Eva Ionesco expressed any sort of regret for ever being involved in this film? As far as "illegal activity" goes, that is blurred when it comes to these kinds of films. Unless you're the one actually prosecuting people for seeing this movie, you don't know what you're talking about. There are sections of the law which exclude things done where the main purpose is art. This is why photography books are legal, nudist videos are legal, and nude bodies filmed in context with the story are also legal. If there was a law that said none of that could be shown, then we can all be jailed for having films like
Lolita
,
Beau Pere
,
Laura
,
The Tin Drum
, etc. Where would it stop with such a broad definition? Why not go further and include violence committed against child actors portraying hoodlums like in
Pixote
,
Los Olvidados
,
Salaam Bombay!
, and
City Of God
? After all, violence against children should be considered as bad as sex, right? Bollocks, I say. This is just censorship committed by a bunch of perverted, hypocritical blue-nosed puritans.
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karlvasily — 21 years ago(January 13, 2005 09:13 PM)
I haven't even seen the movie yet but I couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately, and this worries me a lot, I think this is the trajectory our country is heading in. I just wish I could be sure that the movie is legal because one thing I'm not willing to do is break the law, even if I don't personally think it's right. The amazing thing reading these posts is that some people apparently really believe that violence is more justifiablewhat an odd society we live in.
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Bitter_Almonds — 21 years ago(January 16, 2005 07:00 PM)
Well, to tell you the truth, this isn't a very good movie. It was plain bad. It's only redeeming value to collectors is the controversy it gathered. As far as legality goes, it's more a question as to whether you'd feel embarrassed if your friends and neighbours found out you had this movie "community standards" vary greatly from place to place. If the police or a judge were looking at this, they might confuse it for the real deal, but a good lawyer could set it straight.
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potless — 21 years ago(January 21, 2005 04:27 PM)
So as long as victims of pedophila don't express regret the action is against them is alright is it? Yes let's dress it up and pretend it's art, that's ok, sex involving 11 year old girls is alright as long as we call it art.