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Dismenot — 19 years ago(July 26, 2006 05:01 PM)
Why? Like much of your original reply, your question has absolutely nothing to do with the movie.
I have no desire to have my posts deleted for posting off-topic.
So you don't like the laws around here, fine, if you want to debate the morals of America, then please do so in the soapbox where it belongs.
Otherwise stay on-topic, personal rants don't belong on movie boards.
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person64389 — 19 years ago(July 29, 2006 04:59 PM)
two points dismenot, firstly, in the thing dated may 1, you state that downloading this thing would be illegal due to piracy as well as its being child pornography (not having seen it, I make no judgement as to whether it actually is child pornography). don't those two obviously conflict? if the thing is illegal child pornography, how can it be protected by intellectual property laws?
secondly, how can you suggest that the morals of some americans should be writen into americas laws? I don't care if 99.9% of americans find a particular action morally repulsive, if thats all they've got against it, then there should be no law against it. this is citizenship 101. -
Dismenot — 19 years ago(July 29, 2006 09:28 PM)
My reply to your two points frank-bellamy/person64389:
First, it is still legal in the country it was produced in, the 'R' rated version is legal in several countries, therefore a violation of international copyright laws, but why bother making a point of this? The term "splitting hairs" comes to mind.
Second, I made no such "suggestion" I said I would not discuss the morals of America on a movie board, don't stick words in my mouth. There would be much less debate on these boards if people would pay attention to what they read.
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Dismenot — 19 years ago(July 30, 2006 01:18 PM)
Hmm, I'm guessing you might be a2zvideos with a new name, or the other guy.
At any rate, speak to me with a civil tongue in your head or stfu.(or get replies like this one)
I did not tell anyone how to "Live their life" but you want to be a jerk so you read things in that aren't there. I was commenting on the legality of owning a movie, something you have shown you have no clue of.
Since when is a DVD box a worldwide authority on law? What moron would believe that when any fool can print a DVD sleeve out of their own printer? Why don't you upload a pic of this box showing where it says "Uncut/Legal Worldwide" and link to it so we can see?
I am guessing it's because you are waiting for someone to PM you and ask for a link to this "Legitimate Distributor" which of course, is probably you.
I saw your thread starter, why are you so concerned with getting people to buy this video?
Regardless, you are full of it, this video, uncut, is NOT legal worldwide, and MY information does not come off the back of a home-made video box from a distributor that wants to sell movies.
Show me a legit link on the web that verifies your statement.
More importantly.Tell us just who is this worldwide authority that can "re-evaluate" and
Force
every country (let alone every state
Within
said countries) on the planet to change their laws and make this movie legal to own everywhere, you cannot, no such authority exists, and never has, and only an idiot would think that it did.
You are so full of hooey it's laughable.
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Eliakim48 — 18 years ago(May 11, 2007 01:35 PM)
"Yes I have seen the uncut version of Malado, NO I do not and never will own it, YES I think it is repulsive."
In answer to that, it doesn't appear repulsive to me. One reason is that I also remember what it was like in those early years, and I remember friends going over to girl's houses and doing those very things. That was many years ago. And today, it's even more prevalent with the junior high and high school crowd, to the point where these things (of sex and being nude) are simply ways to "introduce oneself" to another person not much more than that. It's something that these young people engage in as soon as possible, because it has now become a "rite of passage" and they continually engage in it, because now it's simply an "accepted norm" for this age group and what they do together. It's much worse today than anything that this movie represents.
This movie is actually a bit more "pure" in its depictions of nudity and sex scenes, in that it's not as unfeeling and vulgar as the kids are making it out to be today. Perhaps if they saw this movie, they could even "take it back a few steps" to where it used to be and not where it is today (which is much worse than this movie).
It seems that half the youth crowd of today is already acting out, in real life, what would be what you classify as child porn. They just happen to be actually "living it" and not simply depcting it. -
Dismenot — 18 years ago(May 15, 2007 12:38 PM)
It seems that half the youth crowd of today is already acting out, in real life, what would be what you classify as child porn. They just happen to be actually "living it" and not simply depcting it.
Erm, yes, we know some kids have sex, making movies about it is called Child Pornography.
http://www.citizensforaonestrikelaw.org/
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Eliakim48 — 18 years ago(May 16, 2007 08:40 AM)
Quote from you: "Erm, yes, we know some kids have sex, making movies about it is called Child Pornography."
LOL, I gotta laugh here. You've got things backwards. The actual doing of it is the more significant matter, not the depiction of it. I can't quit laughing at that statement.
To make it a bit clearer, lets' say we're talking about murder. Okay, now on the movies we've got murders and in real life we've got murders. Now, someone comes up and says, "You know, there's a lot of murders going on, these days!" And then someone else says, "Yeah, but that's okay, because at least we're not showing or depicting those murders in movies."
Oh, okay, it's like don't show it in a drama or a movie about people but yeah, as long as you do it in real life and don't film it, it's perfectly okay LOL that's pretty good!
Now, in this particular depiction of it (Maladolescenza), it pretty much gives a real good understanding of the kind of drama and emotions and interactions that go on and can go on with that particular age group. And this would be completely different than what would go on with, let's say, college age people (for example) or adults (for another example). It's something especially unique and different, in that there are mighty powerful emotions combined with (what was depicted) as cruelty in that age group (which is so, so true, also). You've got the movement from an innocence in these things, to what pulls all the characters together in their "fatal dance", so to speak. That's what makes for some real drama and real depiction of how this particular age group would be in real life. And it just doesn't apply in the same way to another age group.
With any other age group, they've got different dynamics going in life, they're a bit more sophisticated and don't start out to be so innocent. And also, in this particular age group (and as shown in the movie), it was sort of shocking to find that Sylvia was -both- seemingly more sophisticated, but yet, at the same time, less sophisticated in other ways. It was a good contrast.
But, going on further, with what you said it's pretty evident how far out of touch you are with what is really going on these days. You're saying that "we know some kids have sex." Ummm, you're stuck somewhere 50 years ago, I'm afraid. It's even worse than what is depicted in this movie of 30 years ago (Maladolescenza). This particular movie is almost sort of sweet and nice (aside from the cruelty involved), in comparison to today's culture.
Today, it's literally rampant, and even down to the 10-11-12 year old range, and is seen/perceived within that age group and up as a "rite of passage" and a sort of "confirmation" among one's peers. It's on the order of "introductions" today. It's like, "Let me introduce myself, by getting my clothes off and getting it on with you."
And furthermore, today, with the rapid increase of the numbers of video cams out there, these things are not only being done, they are being filmed. And it seems that the "being filmed" part is also an "incentive" of some sort to "more action" on the part of the participants. They seem to revel in it. It would seem that everyone's an actor today, and especially our 12-yeard olds and up.
Now, some people may want to present the "depiction" of these things as the real problem, but they've missed the really, really big problem and it's that this age group of 12-year-olds and up are simply throwing off any restraints that were ever there before (and doing it wholesale, as a group), and engaging with others in sex with wholesale abandon. And the filming that this group is doing happens to be a side-line ancilliary product something they seem to do, also, for the fun of it.
The depiction is a totally non-event, as far as what the true and real actions are, that are going on these days. It's not even worth mentioning the depiction. I would only wish that this was simply a depiction of an occasional and isolated event. But, it's far from it, today. -
Dismenot — 18 years ago(May 17, 2007 11:55 AM)
Wow!
LOL, I gotta laugh here. You've got things backwards. The actual doing of it is the more significant matter, not the depiction of it. I can't quit laughing at that statement.
That is the stupidest argument for kiddie porn I've heard yet. (though not the first time I've heard it, lol)
So, since some kids have sex, you think we should make lots of movies with little kids doing the hoochie-coochie so you can get your rocks off?
It would appear so, since you have already managed to convince yourself that all kids everywhere are having this "rampant" sex mania frenzy thing going on.
Most kiddie porn lovers convince themselves of that early on, it gives them an excuse for their behaviour, and their fantasies.
http://www.citizensforaonestrikelaw.org/
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kalvinharp — 18 years ago(May 17, 2007 02:23 PM)
what you say is mostly true about kiddie porn lovers, but thats neither here nor there. "Spielen wir Liebe" is not kiddie porn, nor illegal except in germany. Spielen wir Liebe is a great tale of the hardships of emerging adolescence. Its not porn, its not erotica, its a great story to which i can relate to, having gone through very difficult preteen and young teen years (Junior High).