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    clivecrump — 19 years ago(July 19, 2006 02:04 AM)

    Good, it wasn't just me who was confused by the ending.
    I read it that the judge was confessing his homosexual feelings for Vincent but it seemed to be deliberately unclear (maybe just a language problem?).
    I couldn't work out why the redhead (Karlsson) would go to all that trouble to meet her boss's accuser and film her confession only to tear up the tape & the transcript. She is clearly capable of being ruthless and nakedly ambitious and could feasibly opt to work for Laborde but this doesn't explain the former. If she wanted to just damage her boss then why does she bother to set up a meeting with his son he never knew? I guess this was just setting up a strand for the second series. Perhaps she wants him to work for her (in the Laborde job?) which he wouldn't do if he is cleared and able to practice again.
    I thought I had been momentarily distracted at the end and missed the crucial info about who the new body in the woods was (doesn't Vincent mention two children of the deceased?) but it seems that this may also just be setting up a stoyline for the new series too.

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      grumsta — 19 years ago(July 21, 2006 03:13 AM)

      I assumed the body at the end with the plastic bag over his head was the disabled boy that had been abducted, but it was very confusing. Having built the plot up so well, it all seemed to unravel.
      If it's leading up to a second series then great, but as a stand-alone series it wouldn't make much sense.
      "Morse" this definitely ain't! 🙂

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        roberto1 — 19 years ago(September 07, 2006 11:06 AM)

        I couldn't make it out at first, but when I replayed it, I thought it was the red-headed lawyer. It makes a whole lot of sense as the set-up for the next series, because you essentially then have a whodunnit: was it the government advisor, one of her clients (that guy who insulted her), the lawyer she worked for whose tape she destroyed, and so on? It would also explain why she destroyed the tape - so there'd be someone else to suspect in the next series!
        There is some discussion by the police about bodies, but I had the impression they were talking about some other bodies nearby and they hadn't yet discovered this one. At least, I couldn't see anyone in the neighbourhood of the body's location when the camera zoomed in.

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          RJValentine — 19 years ago(July 19, 2006 04:29 AM)

          Careful, guys - we're confusing Pierre and Vincent here Pierre is the handsome prosecuter and star of the show Vincent is the ex-lawyer with the rape conviction against him.
          As has been pointed out - hopefully it was the start of an investigation which will make up the second series.
          "Just a passer by, as you might say!"

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              fliss — 19 years ago(July 27, 2006 05:36 AM)

              I agree that Roban feels paternal towards Pierre - I think Roban was surprised to be feeling affection for anyone.
              There are a couple of loose ends tied up in the final scene - looks like Pierre and Laure are together as they call each other "tu" and hold hands briefly as they walk to look at the body.
              I couldn't tell for sure, but I think the body in the bag was the politician Laborde, and the dialogue fits: Laure says something like "it was the father". Then someone asked if they'd found the little girl, and she said no. I understood by this that Laborde had been caught molesting another girl by the girl's father, and the father had killed Laborde.
              BBC4 is hinting that it'll show series 2. fingers crossed

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                mifd58 — 19 years ago(July 29, 2006 05:13 PM)

                Or it could be that "It was the father" referred to the father of Elina and her sister, who may have come back from Rumania and taken revenge on Laborde..

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                  walshan — 14 years ago(August 21, 2011 05:52 PM)

                  Perhaps it's whoever you want it to be. Personally I hope it's Lobarde but then it may not be. Just like life not everything is clearly resolved.
                  "You won't need eyes where you're going"

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                    bogwart-1 — 16 years ago(April 28, 2009 09:35 PM)

                    Roban's affection for Pierre is due to him thinking of Pierre as a son; he specifically mentioned that he had a son who was much younger than Pierre. He's a lonely man, and my guess is that he saw something of his younger self in the magistrate.
                    I think the new body/bodies are either 'business as usual' as a start for Series 2, or Surrier, the auctioneer whose son 'went missing'.

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                      ccscd212 — 14 years ago(May 20, 2011 02:45 PM)

                      "I think the new body/bodies are 'business as usual'" - this.
                      I found nothing confusing about the ending. The identity of the new body/bodies was irrelevant, hence they were left unidentified. This isn't a David Lynch film.

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                        oakcourt — 14 years ago(May 25, 2011 02:38 PM)

                        S'il vous plait Engrenages revien au television tout de suite! Sorry my French is a bit rubbish but so sorry this has ended, let's hope the BBC let us have another series.

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                          JoshsDad — 19 years ago(August 12, 2006 11:01 AM)

                          i thought the body at the end was the father who was accused of molestation by his daughters i also interpreted the judge's 'chat' with the prosecutor as rather paternal whatever it all means i think they have set it up nicely for a second series what will happen to the disgraced lawyer? will the nasty female lawyer and laborde get it on and get their cumuppance together will laure continue to wear those very sexy vests????
                          i can't wait .
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                          'i am your pallbearer'

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                            piticaillou — 19 years ago(September 02, 2006 08:52 AM)

                            This ending is indeed confusing I saw the last episode yesterday (yeah in France! It's funny to see that a french tvshow is shown in England before, but nevermind that, you were luckier! 😉 ) and I cannot believe what Karlsson did!! She's really terrible, I'm quite sure she destroyed the video and the papers so that Vincent would never be an opponent for her carrear! Totally despicable! And the more I think of it, I think she will be crazy enough to accept LAborde's proposition (this woman is mad and he makes me sick! I hope he's the one with the plastic bag on his face in the end!!)
                            What else? The case with Elina is really sad I thought she had done something "terrible" to be killed in such a manner, but she simply wouldn't give up the researches on her sister and then 😞
                            I'm really sad for Benoit Faye as well, when we think of it, it must have been awful for him, he was really close to Sofia and then it's Elina the almost-love of his life who gets killed and then he is accused of the entire thing! I hope he will get out of his coma!!! I love Guillaume Cramoisan, he's totally good-looking and charismatic! 🙂
                            One last thing I'm happy to see that Laure and Pierre seem to be together! 🙂

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                                George_Mason — 17 years ago(May 10, 2008 12:26 PM)

                                Well I maybe the only one but something makes me think that the Vincent story is fully resolved, so we won't see more of him or an explanation for what Karlsson did soooowhile watching the serie a second time I noticed several hints making me think that Karlsson always believed that Vincent was guilty of the rape, for example in the episode where another man is arrested for rape and they have to defend him. So my guess is, she simply didn't admit she was wrong about her boss the whole time, and so preferred to destroy the proofs.

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                                    dsurte66 — 17 years ago(December 24, 2008 11:00 PM)

                                    Thank you stellmar.
                                    Just watched the dvd again & agree on your assessment of the characters esp Mme. Karlsson. Why would she want to play 2nd fiddle to Leroy after having had a taste of being no 1? Better him neutered, controlled & used when required.
                                    The very last body had distinct sideburns leading me to believe it was a new victim.

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                                      underwearbandit — 14 years ago(October 06, 2011 07:43 PM)

                                      Wrong
                                      He was clearly guilty. The mother of the child didn't get an abortion because of other reasons, but she was still raped.
                                      Vincet took the jail time without saying a word because he was guilty of going too far and raping her, and felt that he needed to atone. He still loved being a lawyer though, so he was always bitter about losing that right.
                                      The woman he raped now has cancer and will die, so who will support her daughter now? Her mother is old and has no money. This way, by saying her rape testimony was false, she can get vincent to take in his daughter and provide for her, since she feels he really repented because he didnt make a fuss when he went to jail, so she can trust him a bit now.
                                      The redhead figured this out and you know how she hates rapists, so burned the evidence so he would concentrate more on his daughter instead of other stuff.

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                                        sikboyk — 13 years ago(June 26, 2012 12:41 PM)

                                        its his son pay attention

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                                          oakcourt — 13 years ago(July 01, 2012 03:09 AM)

                                          We have series 2 here now and I must just say I'm glad it worked out for Samy!

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