With the principal exception of Iron Fist because his chi force-based powers are magical, could Daredevil, Jessica Jones
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ThorTime — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 02:32 PM)
So if not the Inhuman angle then how did they become superhumans?
Comic book science.
Jessica Jones became immune to Klgrave's pheromones-based mind control power.
Willpower, Doctor Doom is also immune. Jessica Jones wasn't immune until she developed the willpower to be immune.
This means that just like in the comic books, Daredevil is immune to Kilgrave's power, too.
That was never established in the shows, and probably will never be as Killgrave had his neck broken (and became Matt Smith) which doesn't have to follow the comics.
Elektra for example was the child, by birth, of a Greek ambassador. Her father was killed in a hostage situation. Matt Murdock and her first met in college, and they met through, meeting. She wasn't hired to tail him or whatever. She wasn't a secret Ninja assassin in training. She was a normal, human girl who had her life change due to tragic events.
The show changed her origin as well.
But it makes sense considering that Matt Murdock and Jessica Jones were both exposed to the same radioactive chemicals.
They were not radioactive in the shows, nor did it ever say they were the same ones. Chances are the ones Jessica Jones got exposed to were trying to develop a Captain America super soldier (given that those soldiers would take some of them and gain temporary enhanced powers), but I don't remember it ever saying that.
It was never established what Daredevil was exposed to in the series.
So how do you figure that the three of them aren't Inhumans in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
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jacktrojan-79032 — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 02:48 PM)
It's all theoretical. But I can see that you're not a person who likes to have fun so I'm just not going to discuss this with you anymore.
Do yourself a big favor. Get that stick out of your ass. It's bad for ya. -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 05:51 AM)
Well, except for all we know Erskine turned Schmidt and Stever Rogers into a specific types of Inhumans.
Also, this
:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706 -
jacktrojan-79032 — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 06:38 AM)
@ A-to-ZZZ,
"It would completely go against the lore."
Yes, because Disney and Marvel Studios, when creating the Marvel Cinematic Universe, both had so much respect for the lore. (rolls eyes)
At least I tried to come up with a theory as to what the mutation in Luke Cage's DNA is that allowed him to survive the experiment that had mutated him. At least I tried to make sense out of what the mutagenic reactions to accidental exposure to both chemicals and radiation combined, that caused Daredevil and Jessica Jones to become mutated, were probably sourced from.
I even tied Alexandra to it all in a logical way that makes total sense.
My utter respect for the lore is true respect. The people who are writing the M.C.U.'s history are just creating Hollywood stories without any rational point. Things just happen because they make up whatever reason that they feel is justified for it.
Iron Man inventing Ultron in Avengers: Age Of Ultron was not respect for the lore.
The Mandarin's real identity being turned into a deception in order to trick the movie audience was not respect for the lore.
Kilgrave being changed to a British man just because David Tennant played him instead of leaving him as a Croatian man is not respect for the lore.
At least my making the hypothesis of dormant Inhuman DNA being inadvertently activated by I.G.H. due to Alexandra's experiments is superior because it not only makes complete sense, but it actually follows the narrative already being set up by the M.C.U. due to the existence of the Inhumans.
But anyway, since no one wants to entertain this idea, I'll just say whatever. We'll all find out what the truth is when the Defenders debuts on Netflix. Or maybe the writing in the Marvel Cinematic Universe won't even touch on that enigmatic and mysterious riddle? It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. After all, they don't respect the lore. -
ThorTime — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 07:05 AM)
Yes, because Disney and Marvel Studios, when creating the Marvel Cinematic Universe, both had so much respect for the lore. (rolls eyes)
For the most part they have, at least with origin stories. Some adjustments for modern times, but still similar.
Steve Rogers, a sickly young man who wants to be a soldier is injected with an experimental formula.
Iron Man, wounded in a war when he was showing off weapon designs he made. Builds a 1960s robot costume while captured by the enemy.
Daredevil, saves a man walking across the street from being hit and exposed to chemicals that blind him, but enhance other senses.
Jessica Jones, car accident.
Luke Cage, prison experiments.
Thor, a God.
Hulk, exposed to gamma radiation.
Doctor Strange, accident that renders him unable to use his hands.
Ant-Man, biggest difference (Scott Lang).
Black Widow, shadowy Russian assassin spy who has no Russian accent.
Hawkeye, suddenly no longer deaf.
Vision, created by Ultron.
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matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 07:21 AM)
Ant-Man, biggest difference (Scott Lang).
I wouldn't say that. Hank Pym discovers the particle, develops the ant communication, uses it as Ant-Man, Janet becomes the Wasp. Tech-savvy gentleman burglar Scott Lang burgles the suit from Pym, becomes second Ant-Man.
Hawkeye, suddenly no longer deaf.
What? I've seen him convers with Spider-Man and Iron Man with their faces covered I don't know how many times.
Also, this
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http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706 -
ThorTime — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 07:59 AM)
Yeah that is true. Yellow Jacket though was a hero in the comics, right? Darren Cross was still the reason why Scott stole the suit, something about his daughter or something being kidnapped.
What? I've seen him convers with Spider-Man and Iron Man with their faces covered I don't know how many times.
Yeah, most of the writers kind of forgot that. He wears hearing aids. There is evidence that people who lose sight or hearing tend to develop their other senses, so that would help explain why he is so good with the bow, his vision improved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkeye_(comics)#Deaf_culture -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 10:21 AM)
Yeah that is true. Yellow Jacket though was a hero in the comics, right? Darren Cross was still the reason why Scott stole the suit, something about his daughter or something being kidnapped.
Not exactly. Pym had a mental breakdown (later revealed to be due to Ultron's tampering with his mind) and created a more violent masked identity, Yellowjacket. He's used the Yellowjacket suit and name at least once since (during Secret Invasion) and I
think
there was a female Yellowjacket, maybe?
Anyway, I suspect Darren Cross was a mix of that and Egghead (like in
Iron Man 2
there was a mix of Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo).
Yeah, most of the writers kind of forgot that. He wears hearing aids.
Then he's not deaf. If I wear glasses I'm not blind.
Also, this
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http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000130/nest/263626706 -
thunderwolf6 — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 01:57 AM)
By definition, to be Inhuman, one must satisfy two parts: 1. The human must have Kree blood in their system which altered their DNA. 2. The human must have gone through the Terrigen Mist. All of the characters you mentioned satisfy neither of the requirements. While it is a fun theory, it simply just isn't the answer.
Captain America was transformed by gamma and radiation, plus a completely man-made concoction. His will to live let him survive. Spider-Man was made by a radioactive spider bite. They are known as Enhanced Humans, not Inhumans, due to the lack of Kree/Alien blood. -
jacktrojan-79032 — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 07:23 AM)
First, I must say thanks for the very open-minded and understanding response. I wish more people were able to have fun on these boards instead of just look for any opportunity to try to make other people look stupid for doing so. But I guess that's probably why these message boards are being removed. There are just way too many trolls ruining the fun that should be had in here.
Second, yes, you are correct in that Inhumans are, according to their origin in Marvel Comics, the product of advanced genetic engineering by ancient Kree scientists, using a combination of human and Kree DNA. So in order for any superhuman beings to be an Inhuman in any way, whether in the comic books or in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, is for them to be NuHumans who are mainly human in nature, but who also have part-alien Kree ancestry, making them have the genes necessary for Terrigen mist exposure to activate their dormant Inhuman powers.
I blame Disney and Marvel Studios for not using Jack Kirby's explanation as to why the human race has the genes in their DNA which allow them to become superhumans. It just made more sense in the comic books. So far, the M.C.U. has yet to introduce such an intelligent sci-fi concept. It begs the question that if any of the humans who became superhumans survived the process by which they were artificially mutated, then how did their survival of the process even happen without them being, in actuality, Inhumans?
Normal, ordinary human beings do not have the ability to gain an artificially altered genetic structure, and acquire superhuman mental powers, and other superhuman physical powers from exposure to various energy sources such as cosmic energy, which is an alien form of energy, psionic energy, which is a theoretical form of mental energy, and any form of kinetic or physical energies that are within the Planet Earth's electromagnetic spectrum (such as, for example, electricity, gravity, magnetism, etc.).
So unless the writers of the Avengers movies explain that all normal, ordinary human beings have the potential to become superhuman beings due to the alien Celestials giving cave people in the Stone Age artificially created "super genes" that over thousands of years of biological evolution, and environmental adaptation, caused Homo Sapiens, in the last seven millennia, to have the capacity to become superhuman beings, then they still have yet to explain how a combination of the Super-Soldier Serum and the Vita-Ray Treatment was able to successfully transform Steve Rogers into Captain America without killing him? Or, how exposure to gamma radiation was able to tranform Dr. Bruce Banner into the Incredible Hulk without killing him?
Tony Stark is just a normal, ordinary human being who possesses the Iron Man Armor, which is extremely scientifically advanced weapons combined with highly technologically powerful paraphernalia combined in a glorified fully armored battle uniform. So his existence is not impossible and his nature is self-explanatory.
Thor and Loki are both Asgardians, so they are both alien in nature (at least, in the M.C.U.'s version of the characters' stories), and their existences as aliens are hypothetical in real life, so there isn't any need to explain their powers as they are their race's natural abilities, and since the science and the technology of their weaponry is beyond the ability for human minds to even try to comprehend, they don't need to be explained because they are advanced, alien, ancient, Asgardian "devices", "equipment", and "instruments".
Hawkeye and the Black Widow are both apparently normal, ordinary human beings who possess standard weaponry, ancient and modern, respectively. So just like Iron Man (who merely uses state-of-the-art energy weapons) they are not out of the ordinary and, for all intents and purposes in the movies, just regular people.
But characters like Captain America and the Incredible Hulk, unless otherwise stated, make no sense as to how they could even be mutated without some kind of explanation as to how humans can even be successfully mutated in the first place to begin with.
But still, thanks for responding in a very understanding way. I wish that more people were like you in the IMDb. Maybe if there were, this website would have been a much better place and the message boards would not be going away.