What the *beep* Felicity?!
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RoxyLady21 — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 06:29 PM)
Okay, so now I'm not liking Felicity so much. or at least, her new turn in direction lately.
Gotta express some major problems I have with it. Sorry for the expletives.
So, she beep threatened, leveraged, the lives of a guy's innocent family to get what she wanted? And the guy himself was a good guy, right? From what she said, he risked losing his job a year ago to inform his company about terrorist activity, didn't he?
So what the actual GODDAMN beep is with threatening an innocent family of an upstanding guy for the sake of her mission?
I mean beep HELL, not even season 1 Oliver threatened innocent lives in his crusade! It was goddamn Felicity that one time that had to convince him not to kill a CRIMINAL just because she found out he had like a ten year old son and killing the guy would've affected that kid's life foreverSO WHAT THE beep IS SHE DOING HERE STRAIGHT UP THREATENING A GOOD GUY'S FAMILY?! WHAT THE beep beep?!
Goddamn. Felicity is downright descending into villain territory like a goddamn anvil dropped out of the sky.
Grrrrr.
Frustrations and upset aside though, it'll be pretty interesting I guess later on if she actually DOES become a full blown supervillain.
Edit: Thank goddess for Ragman calling her the beep out on it in the van later, love his character even more now. She definitely crossed a line. Huge one.
Edit Edit: I was as disturbed at Diggle for going to torture too, but I'm glad that ended up being the lesson of the episode, that the two of them had to stay better than Oliver, and Oliver had a nice little speech theresoo.salvaged. smiles
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spasticfreakshow — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 07:37 PM)
she was feeling weak in the aftermath of her meeting with a fan of who she used to be. moreover, had she not acted, and millions of people been killed with a nuclear bomb (a peril she already has MAJOR guilt issues over for ragman's hometown), then i think we can all agree this man being temporarily threatened would have been preferable to a nuclear holocaust.
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GeekyBriggs — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 08:07 PM)
Glad the whole thing was salvaged for you.
I always reserve judgement, these days, until I see the entire episode. Which is a policy I haven't had in a while. Most notably during Season 2.
Which is really the biggest reason how I know they're back to basics.
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Darrylmurphy — 9 years ago(February 09, 2017 03:50 AM)
Well she is meant to be getting darker and her actions were actually recognised in this so I didn't have a problem, ive said it atleast 100 times but for me if a character is meant to be a dick/bitch then I don't mind because that's the point, it's when they willl like beep but somehow everyone see's them as doing no wrong that I get annoyed.
I would like to point out Felicity simply let the guy think she'd turn him in I'm 99.999% sure she was bluffing, was it mean of her to do this yeah but I mean do any of us really think they would have Felicity actually get a family killed intentionally at this point? I mean this may be the story where she becomes so engrossed in her own ego and power eventually she crosses the line with someone, but a this point she's merely skirting it. -
Pumpyjones — 9 years ago(February 09, 2017 05:47 PM)
Yeah, I agree she was bluffing. And I'm also glad Rory called her out. I don't mind her doing dark things, because perfect characters are boring. People hated her for being a Mary Sue and now they're hating on her for being grey. I mean, I get people don't like her, but it seems she can't win with some people. I personally like her better this way. I find her annoying and sanctimonious when she's 'good'.
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GeekyBriggs — 9 years ago(February 09, 2017 10:23 PM)
Those 'some' people are still bitter she usurped comic canon despite the fact that the show screwed up the canon love story so badly that they really had no choice.
I'm sorry, my Dinah Laurel Lance is not a doormat who goes back to a man who cheated with her sister
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vegitto02 — 9 years ago(February 09, 2017 07:16 PM)
After Havenrock, she wasn't taking chances, even if it meant bluffing a threat to an innocent man. I do like that Rory called her out on it, but it's clear she's heading down a path where it's going to be more and more tempting for her to cross lines.
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pauli_gomez — 9 years ago(February 09, 2017 09:55 PM)
The guy was not inocent. He failed to inform the Kremlin about terrorism risk. But his family is inocent indeed so I am sure Felicity was just bluffing, she was not going to risk those people love. To be honest, even when it's good that Rory called her on it so she could realize what she was actually doing and not treat is as if it were small potatoes, I think that in this case she was justified. She give the man a scare but nothing else, he was not hurt and much less his family. And it was worthy because there were a lot of lives pending of it.
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elo3322 — 9 years ago(February 09, 2017 10:32 PM)
Whether she was bluffing or not, she still blackmailed the guy. Don't get why people suddenly are so afraid to use that word.
She's a blackmailer now. Just like Laurel was in late season 2. Just like Oliver was in season 1 with a lot of his List victims. No sugarcoating it just because it was against bad guys. -
kullagulla-84456 — 9 years ago(February 10, 2017 01:03 AM)
Whether she was bluffing or not, she still blackmailed the guy. Don't get why people suddenly are so afraid to use that word.
Remember how people (especially Felicity/Olicity fans) were SO sanctimonious and critical when Laurel "blackmailed" the DA to get her job back? Apparently that plot twist cast a huge shadow on her as a character.Of course, these same fans tend to judge Felicity and Laurel according to very different moral standards, to the point where Felicity is regarded as so perfect and infallible that she can do no wrong, while Laurel's actions were/are picked apart and treated as if they were major offenses and totally damaging to her character portrayal. It also seems as though the writers themselves love Felicity so much (or are so afraid to tarnish her in-show image) that they hardly ever put her in a position where other characters have the opportunity to judge her or confront her about her actionswhile Laurel (and other characters whose name isn't Felicity) have had plenty of such moments.
I even remember how someone spent a whole article claiming that Laurel is morally unfit to become Black Canary because she ALMOST killed a man (Komodo), or because she did kill one of Blood's minions (to save Oliver's life). Well, Tina/Dinah has already killed, but I don't see many fans (not even Olicity fans) being up in arms about that. Besides, Oliver being a serial killer who often uses very unethical methods to extort information has never stopped Oliver/Felicity fans from regarding Oliver as a hero and an ideal boyfriend/husband for Felicity.
So, I've come to realize that moral judgments of characters among "Arrow" fans are so partisan that they often say more about the particular posters' likes and dislikes than about the characters' actual deeds or behavior. BTW, that goes for Felicity critique as well. This is not a criticism of the O.P. (who is not a Felicity hater as far as I know). -
RoxyLady21 — 9 years ago(February 10, 2017 05:40 PM)
shrugs I'm not an anybody hater. I just watch the show and enjoy it, you know? I'm not really as umINVESTED let's say, in the characters as a lot of other people seem to be here. If somebody does something beep up or somebody dies or whatever it'll upset or annoy me for like five minutes, but then I'll just shrug and get over it and keep watching.
To put me into perspective really, know that I first started watching this show just for the sake of the action scenes and explosions, haha.
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