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I_Created_U — 9 years ago(July 23, 2016 05:37 AM)
all the little pop culture references
What "pop culture references"? Have we watched the same movie?
Also, there's a lot of things that can be said about Watchmen, but the lack of substance is not one of them. This movie on his own contains more substance than all other Marvel or DC superhero movies put together. Its metaphysical, mythological and philosophical themes are exactly what makes the difference between Watchmen and the rest of the comic book adaptations out there, although V for Vendetta comes close, but only because it's also Alan Moore. Unfortunately, despite its rich subtext, Vendetta still doesn't even compare to the level of Watchmen.
If Watchmen's subtext doesn't impress you, what better Sup movie or comic adaptation would you recommend? I don't see how it can have more substance than this one, no matter your choice And don't give me TDK please, because as good as it indeed was, in terms of depth and substance, it is still leagues behind Watchmen.
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jmcrighton-892-694446 — 9 years ago(July 23, 2016 07:03 AM)
For me personally I just didn't feel like the movie actually accomplished anything. Yes it comments on human nature but what points does it actually give. It's like it just discusses them for no reason. I think that this film is good and visually is impressive but it is nowhere near as good as it thinks it is.
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movie_nazi — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 12:06 PM)
For me personally I just didn't feel like the movie actually accomplished anything. Yes it comments on human nature but what points does it actually give. It's like it just discusses them for no reason. I think that this film is good and visually is impressive but it is nowhere near as good as it thinks it is.
Wha'? What exactly did you expect for it to do? The film presents the philosophical point of man's innate nature to destroy and kill and presents a scenario where using this very idea tricks man into saving themselves. I thought it was quite clever. I would like for you to present an example of a film that you believe "accomplishes" something. I also would like to know your definition of accomplish. Is accomplish to you changing your life or actually teaching the audience something? The general consensus is that films main goal is to entertain. It is the only thing it needs to "accomplish" and for me it does just that. I agree with an earlier poster that said it stands heads and shoulders above all other superhero movies which in my opinion "accomplish" very little. Please present us with an example of a film that "accomplishes" something. I am genuinely intrigued.
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jmcrighton-892-694446 — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 04:10 PM)
Also have a look at Mark Kermode's review of this film, it's quite interesting. It was what changed my opinion on this film as I though it was a great film but now having seen it through his eyes and really thought about it, I now only think it's a good film
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Prince_of_IMDb — 9 years ago(August 28, 2016 06:44 AM)
Crash sucked. But I agree that this movie is nothing better, either. Zack's directing is all style and no substance in a nutshell. People who like this movie easily fall under the illusion of masterful directing with verbatim mediocrity.
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FlorisV — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:15 AM)
Based on your earlier post I kind of expected something like this: you want a message from a film, some kind of judgement, like biblical stories. While those can be powerful, the strength of a film can also lie in avoiding this and not dealing a crooked deck that forces you into condemning one thing and cherishing another. It's done it's job if you think about it yourself independently, if it raised questions that you found interesting and showed you both sides of the same coin.
I won't go into all the problems of Crash. It did try to look for nuance, but it didn't seem to go any further than "bad racist guys are not completely evil".
Spiderman 1 taught a message, told with grace, "with great power comes great responsibility". In Watchmen it's Veidt who takes it to heart by sacrificing millions of livesand the most powerful guy is apathetic. A more complex take on the same idea. Watchmen contrasts this complexity with the simpler "schoolboy heroic" times ala Spiderman. I appreciate both but have to acknowledge more depth in Watchmen.