1-30 Episode was pretty good
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rebekatsin — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 06:29 AM)
Eh, I doubt it This show always seems to surprise me. I've rarely ever called things correctly. But I still cling to hope that Lucifer isn't just throwing a childish tantrum because his character had seemed to grow so much more than thatand I just can't help but personally not like the backstabbing that mum has put Luci through. But maybe since her time on earth has been even more limited than his she truly doesn't know any better?
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D_Stormborn — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 05:47 AM)
Not one of my favorite episodes. It was a darker episode dealing with death and stabbing and hell. Lucifer throwing a tantrum and running away like a 12 year old was disappointing, I guess love doesn't conquer all for now.
Tough Chloe showing she's crushing on Luci was cringe worthy, too.
"Art is magic delivered from the lie of being truth"
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centrd — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 11:11 AM)
If he were acting like a 12-year-old, he wouldn't have killed himself to save Chloe, or pulled his mother out of hell with him, after learning what she had done to manipulate him.
As has been stated in other threads, there's a lot more to Lucifer's struggle with free will than can be attributed to the interests of a pre-adolescent.
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mike-thomas-4 — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 11:18 AM)
Lots of people leave situations to gain some space to think things through. This does not make them like a 12 year old. For Lucifer the idea of God putting Chloe in his path undermines everything he thought he knew. In that situation I suspect everyone would want some space. If you discovered that the love of your life was secretly someone completely different one day, someone that went against everything you stood for, would you not want to put some space between you while you worked out your feelings?
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D_Stormborn — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 11:39 AM)
But that's exactly it! Chloe is genuine. She doesn't know about what happened to her mother or that she's a pawn of some family drama. She just started to love him back after he wooed her forever.
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centrd — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 12:00 PM)
He's not leaving to hurt her. He clearly thinks it's the best for her. He's leaving because he does love her. He wouldn't have killed himself for her, and previously groveled to his father to save her life, if he didn't love her. His love is not the issue. The issue is that he believes SHE doesn't really love him, only thinks she does because of his father's influence.
It was extremely difficult for him to believe she could love him in the first place (illogical, was his description to Linda). This was before finding out that his Dad had a hand in it. Not to mention, he's mortal around her! Why would he think he'd been made mortal in her presence if his father didn't have something nefarious in mind? And she's the only human immune to his mojo. He'd have to be an idiot to stick around to find out what his father's got planned for him. And in a way, he was already an idiot, when he hung around her knowing he could be killed in her presence. But he did anyway because he cares for her. But to then find out that his dad is responsible for everything? How can he possibly believe that Chloe fell for him of her own free will? It makes zero sense.
Hopefully, we'll find out that Chloe was put here for a reason other than Lucifer. Like perhaps hers is the all important role of mother of a savior (Trixie)? Or it could be something else. But after billions of years of being at God's mercy, there's no way Lucifer can just trust that his father now has good intentions for him and wants him to be happy. He probably even thinks that if he leaves, then Chloe will no longer be a pawn in God's cat-and-mouse game with him. She's almost been killed multiple times since meeting Lucifer. That would also seem to indicate to Lucifer that she's been little more than a pawn and that God is only using her to accomplish His endgame.
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D_Stormborn — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 12:26 PM)
Lucifer is withholding information, that is a first. To protect her, maybe. He is acting on those informations by pulling back. Sorry I'm team Chloe here, but she's the one getting hurt.
And I am fully aware that I'm angry at Luci because the show runners want more relationship drama or at least those two not yet in lovebird mode.
"Art is magic delivered from the lie of being truth"
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centrd — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 01:01 PM)
But if he told her she wouldn't believe him anyway.
Right now, he may be afraid to tell her who he is, not only because it would reduce his standing in her eyes, but also because he might fear that it could trigger her into truly becoming God's agent against him. I can totally understand why he's got more incentive now than ever to not prove to her who he really is.
Maybe, in the second half of the season, he'll finally realize that he needs to finally show her who he is. I think this is what this season could all be building toward, Chloe finally finding out he's the devil. And then he can explain everything to her and she'll finally understand what's going on.
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rebekatsin — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 01:21 PM)
He really isn't withholding anything, except the fact that her existence is the result of a blessing, and that's more her mom's place to tell her. He's been telling her he's the devil since day one and she chooses not to believe him. Even when faced with enough evidence to be curious enough to test his blood she was easily dissuaded by Amenadeil's explanation. When has she ever, as a person or a detective, let anyone talk her out of something she was determined to do? I think she knows on some level who and what he is but she is running away from that knowledge herself because she doesn't want to know. But her dream showed that she is warming up to the idea of who he is and that she would be just as fond of him if he were really the devil as she is of him as a human going around saying he is the devil (which, in my opinion, the latter is more unattractive on so many levels).
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spasticfreakshow — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 10:31 PM)
He really isn't withholding anything, except
why he abandoned her immediately after she recovered from certain death? which was right after they realized they love each other, and shortly after their first real kiss?
yeah, he's withholding. on a dealbreaker level, bordering dishonesty. it does feel juvenile, despite comments about his ongoing fears that her love is not the real thing bc his dad got involved, which he had already explored and moved past. instead of talking with her about it, he takes off. awful - and unkind. really unlike him. -
centrd — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 10:30 AM)
When did he ever "move past" his father's meddling in his life? That has NEVER happened. It's the whole basis of this show. If he ever does "move past it", it will most likely be in the last show of the series.
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spasticfreakshow — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 10:33 AM)
try reading my post again. i never said what you said - perhaps you replied to the wrong post?
lucifer certainly hasn't dealt with nor forgiven his father. but when he and chloe hugged and he said "this is real; isn't it?" and she said "yes", he seemed to have moved past his issues over her having been set up for him, due to her making him vulnerable, his mother's interference, etc. -
centrd — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 10:46 AM)
yeah, he's withholding. on a dealbreaker level, bordering dishonesty. it does feel juvenile, despite comments about
his ongoing fears that her love is not the real thing bc his dad got involved,
which he had already explored and moved past.
instead of talking with her about it, he takes off. awful
???
"Man is born into trouble as sparks fly upward." Lucifer