How to fight Kilgrave
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britney-shagwell — 9 years ago(January 22, 2017 02:53 PM)
Brilliant strategy. Does not speaking English make you bulletproof, too? I wasn't aware of that side effect That strategy is right up there with "why didn't they wear earplugs?". Because earplugs don't block bullets OR protect other people, that's why.
Kilgrave almost never engages directly in combat. So, you send a non-English speaker, someone wearing earplugs/headphones, or better yet, a totally deaf person after him And they get shot dead fifty feet away by the security guards he has, or people he's controlling.
Of course, why not just killl him with a sniper from a half-mile away, why get more complicated than that?
Oh yeah let's not forget that Kilgrave normally had "contingency orders" in place, so that if you even tried to kill him, it was likely many OTHER people would die. Oops?
Not really "done and done", if you bother to think it through in the context the show gives you.
Nullifying Kilgrave's power over a single individual is relatively easy. Defeating Kilgrave while nullifying his power over EVERYONE is a whole other ball of wax. Kind of the entire point of the series.
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dmcreif — 9 years ago(January 22, 2017 09:49 PM)
Nullifying Kilgrave's power over a single individual is relatively easy. Defeating Kilgrave while nullifying his power over EVERYONE is a whole other ball of wax. Kind of the entire point of the series.
And Jessica KNEW that to some extent. When Kilgrave broke into her apartment, he explicitly threatened her with "I have people who I have commanded to kill themselves if I die". Hell, the precinct Mexican standoff was the same thing. I imagine she didn't make a move on Kilgrave there because she felt that he may have commanded the cops to shoot her if she made a move on him.
Brilliant strategy. Does not speaking English make you bulletproof, too? I wasn't aware of that side effect That strategy is right up there with "why didn't they wear earplugs?". Because earplugs don't block bullets OR protect other people, that's why.
Well, not speaking English may workprovided Kilgrave doesn't speak that language. As for the earplugs, yeah, earplugs and headphones may render YOU immune to commands, but you also have no warning about what everyone around you is being commanded to do. Not only that, but earplugs (the normal ones you can buy in most drug stores) and noise-cancelling headphones don't actually block sound completely and you can still understand what people are saying if they're talking loud enough. All Kilgrave would have to do is just speak with a louder tone of voice and that's out the window. Consider that Jessica didn't even think the earplug approach would be foolproof. She warns Trish not to look at Kilgrave even when she has the headphones on. While it's possible that Jessica was just telling Trish not to look at Kilgrave so that he doesn't realize it's not Jessica, I had the feeling that Jessica actually thought that Kilgrave would just resort to alternate means to control Trish. -
britney-shagwell — 9 years ago(January 22, 2017 10:00 PM)
I imagine she didn't make a move on Kilgrave there because she felt that he may have commanded the cops to shoot her if she made a move on him.
Ermmm She didn't make a move on him there because seventeen people would have died instantly. Nobody was pointing a gun at her, only at innocent people/cops or themselves. It had absolutely nothing to do with a threat against Jessica.
Consider that Jessica didn't even think the earplug approach would be foolproof.
Or You can just consider the fact that the "earplug/earphone strategy" actually didn't work. Trish had her headphones knocked off, and was almost instantly under Kilgrave's control. He didn't have to resort to alternate means.
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dmcreif — 9 years ago(January 22, 2017 09:57 PM)
As for Jessica never trying to kill Kilgrave until the last episode, well, she already carries an extreme level of guilt for the deaths in her life. I mean, no sane person wants to kill anyone, but think about it from Jessica's perspective: having spent most of her life carrying guilt for the deaths of her family, then the horrific trauma of being made a willing slave, then the guilt of committing murder, then the guilt of believing that murder is the reason she was free, then Kilgrave setting up the situation so she feels guilty for the deaths of Hope's parents and Ruben, it's not unreasonable that she wanted to solve the problem and be the hero without killing. Plus (and I'm treading lightly here) victims of prolonged psychological and emotional torment and manipulation have complicated feelings toward their abusers. It's not as simple for her as it is to us.
There's also the fact that Jessica wanted some sense of closure. Not just for herself, but for everyone that Kilgrave had victimized. Without proof of Kilgrave's existence, people would think that his victims were just drunks, drug addicts, or weak minded idiots who screwed up their own lives. You have to remember that Jessica is not the only person who suffered because of Kilgrave. She's just his most notable victim as the show is about her. We know from the support group scenes that there are people who lost jobs, friends, marriages, and families because of the things Kilgrave forced them to do. And as rape survivors will tell you, it's a horrible burden to live with that kind of shame and ostracism. If Jessica just killed Kilgrave, all those lives would remain in ruins. By showing the world that he is real, those people would at least have a chance to piece their lives back together. -
dmcreif — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 12:44 PM)
And "dumb and dumb" would still make sense as you just have to understand the language Kilgrave is speaking to fall under his control. Hell, he could probably control a deaf person if that person is a good lip reader.
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haxemon — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 03:50 PM)
Yeah I've always been of the opinion that the victim just needs to understand what Kilgrave wants. It's not so literal (IMO) as the words.
The way the victims spoke about how they actually wanted what Kilgrave wanted, not just doing it against their will, makes me think it's more about Kilgrave affecting the victim's desires/impulses more than just them becoming mindless zombies that follow orders.
So while someone who knows no English might slow him down a bit, it's far from a "solution".
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dmcreif — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 07:32 PM)
No one wants to try it because no one wants to take chances with Kilgrave. Consider how the black-bag operation failed because they didn't think Kilgrave would be smart enough to hire bodyguards to protect him in the event of his powers failing him.
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ktan-1 — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 01:35 AM)
This is real dumb reasoning on the writers' part or at least what they are trying to make us believe. If Daredevil havent took his chances or even normal human being without any powers like Frank Castle aka The Punisher too afraid to try anything each thing they come across any villains, there wouldnt be any street-level heroics to tellend of story.
I know the writers are trying to make this as realistic as possible, balancing with the budget they got to make this as humanely yet as a low level street-level superheroine as best as they could, but halfway down the series they forgot to give Jessica some brains.
Even Daredevil and Luke have shown they have taken a step back and used their brains to derive some tactics or at least thought out some tactics, and not just bashing in fighting without thinking. But unfortunate for Jessica series, I dont see any in her seriesall I see is a broken down depressed girl, trying to get some justice for her or her friends without using any brains or tacticsyes we know she had gone thru alot of trauma in the past, we dont need to see 5 long episodes for her get over it and start using her brawn and brains to start fight villains againwe all came to see Marvel Superhero storyline not some soap operawould you like to see a alcoholic Tony Stark or Traumatized Bruce Banner for every single movies they be in?
Now back to dealing with Kilgraveif you are plotting ahead to tackle him, wouldnt it be more common sense to try lay an ambush on him from afar like a sniper with a tranquilizer,
or leading the police to land on Kilgrave just as he's caught in the act of breaking the law and then springing a trap on him using her own superpowersinstead of the lamest plan to request to be put in a Supermax prison just to hope that Kilgrave would storm in their and use his powers and then be captured on "Smile you're on Candid camera"wtf