A depressing, shallow mess and a disappointment of epic proportions
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yvonneshusband — 10 years ago(May 01, 2015 02:09 PM)
It's not surprising that Batman's pushed to his limits mentally in this movie, since he's been turned into a moron to serve the stupid contrivances of its plot.
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ChristianWoolf — 10 years ago(July 11, 2015 03:19 AM)
Cause you are such an important person that everyone will take your opinion as being relevant. You are just as delusional as those Nolan fans to think that this was worse than The Avengers for instance. The only problem is that typical comic book fans are looking for crappy action entertaining movies instead of quality screenwriting.
This is depressing, it's an ending, it shouldn't be all happiness, if you want Hulk to turn from an uncontrollable freak to an ally without any explanation and see him save the entire globe without any important victims go and watch The Avengers.
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GreatWhiteApeofBarsoom — 10 years ago(March 05, 2016 06:09 PM)
Those looking for quality screenwriting certainly didn't find it in this jumbled, nonsensical mess of a movie.
I thought Batman Begins was great and The Dark Knight was good.
I found virtually nothing worthwhile about The Dark Knight Rises.
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chriskunselman — 10 years ago(March 05, 2016 05:57 PM)
it's not about being a Nolanite, it's the fact that the movie is already successful, whether you like that fact or not. the people in charge already cleaned up, who cares about your opinion now but you? honestly, you come off like a hater, slowly peeling long-soured grapes. maybe if, in your prescience and brilliance in analysis, you'd acted quickly and heroically enough and sabotaged the movie when it was first released, persuading millions not to see it, causing huge financial losses, we wouldn't keep seeing these types of movies. you didn't though, did ya? yeah, keep flapping your gums to no effect.
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justanicknamed — 10 years ago(March 06, 2016 02:01 PM)
Or we wanted fight scenes where the bad guys didn't not shoot at batman when they had him at point blank range, bad guys didn't just fall down, no gaping plot holes how Wayne could go bankrupt/the stock exchange opened the day after a major attack, etc.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(March 06, 2016 03:17 PM)
You proved my point, to you fight scenes and the batsuit are more important than complex character development, symbolism and a strong story.
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justanicknamed — 10 years ago(March 07, 2016 06:27 AM)
Well, I can see how a Nolanite is too stupid to understand what I wrote. I didn't say anything about his Batsuit.
I did say that realistic fight scenes would have been nice. Instead, they are an example of how bad this movie is. There are a couple of scenes where guys who are standing 10 feet away from Batman simply fall down.
This shows how lazy Nolan was with the movies and how little he cared for the character.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(March 07, 2016 02:03 PM)
OMG you are so pathetic, you are obsessing over the smallest technical error because that's all you have to attack the film. Dude one guy falls down before his cue, it's a simple goof, I don't know of a single film that doesn't have any goofs, it has nothing to do with the story at all. If that honestly ruins the film for you then you are a goddamn idiot.
I have already owned this techtash moron in this very same debate (I also had to educate him on the difference between OBJECTIVE and SUBJECTIVE) and quite frankly I am tired of talking about it so STFU about the fight choreography.
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justanicknamed — 10 years ago(March 08, 2016 06:49 AM)
Two separate fight scenes where bad guys simply fall down out of the shot is NOT "the smallest technical error." Only a brain dead Nolanite would say that it is.
It is cr(p movie making.
I don't know of a single film that doesn't have any goofs,
I don't either. Of course, only Nolanites play with their micro-penises and say that a movie with tons of mistakes, stupidity, plot holes and crp movie making is the greatest movie ever.
The true "goddamn idiots" are those who have zero objectivity when it comes to a movie and director.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(March 08, 2016 02:22 PM)
The only complaints you have put forth are two (OK I'll go ahead and give you 2) random stuntmen falling down before their cue, that is a VERY MINOR technical error and it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the story, the characters or the meaning to the film. You are completely obsessed with minor flaws that you have missed the entire point of the film. I honestly think that you don't believe the things you say, you want to be part of the cool crowd which means you invent things to bitch about in regards to this film, it is completely pathetic. 60th greatest movie of all time and made over a billion dollars, suck on that.
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justanicknamed — 10 years ago(March 09, 2016 07:19 AM)
The only complaints you have put forth are two
I've listed way more than two over the times we've talked about the film. Each and every one I've listed you've dismissed as either not being a mistake or not mattering - it was still one of the greatest movies ever.
One of the greatest movies ever would NOT have as many mistakes as these movies do.
random stuntmen falling down before their cue, that is a VERY MINOR technical error and it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the story,
Nothing to do with the story, but everything to do with crp movie making.
Just like the stupidity of pumping blood into the guy's vein as if that is going to prove who he is or is not.
Stealing Bruce's fingerprints to prove he was at the stock exchange, but video will show he wasn't.
Bane attacking the stock exchange in the morning, then a short while later leaving in the late afternoon, and seconds later it is pitch black.
The police going after Batman instead of they guys who just attacked the SE and took hostages.
Batman somehow being able to park the "batwing" in an alley with no one noticing.
The SE opening the next morning and accepting everything that happened as being legit.
The "billionaire playboy" not putting up any kind of fight when he finds out he's lost all of his money.
The police showing up in force seconds after the guy used the congressman's phone.
Bruce not decommissioning the device when he was worried about it being used as a bomb.
Fox not simply flooding the chamber when he was to put in his code.
Being able to plant all of explosives over months without anyone noticing.
The useless 'clean slate' program which will miraculously delete the print outs of all of Selena's arrest reports.
Bruce recovering from a "broken back" in a few days time.
Bruce not breaking his back again when he leaps and fails.
Batman only shooting a few rounds before taking off and allowing the police to get killed.
The bad guys shooting automatic AK-47's at point-blank range at closely grouped police and only 6 police getting shot.
Talia dying from the wreck, but Gordon, in the back with the bomb, doesn't even have a bloody nose.
Not having enough time left on the bomb for Bruce to get it out of the city.
Not having enough time left on the bomb for Bruce to get away from the blast.
Bruce saying he doesn't want anyone to follow him; Batman is just a symbol. Then leaving Blake the batcave.
Leaving Blake the batcave "just in case" he needs to become Batman, and having all of the orphans living in the house above even though Wayne Manor has already been attacked and destroyed once when the bad guys figured out who Batman was.
The fact that a crp fest like this is rated so highly says more about the immaturity and ignorance of the movies fans than it does about anything else.
suck on that.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(March 09, 2016 05:18 PM)
Just like the stupidity of pumping blood into the guy's vein as if that is going to prove who he is or is not.
- The entire thing looked like a plane crash, no reason at all to believe the plane was hijacked
Stealing Bruce's fingerprints to prove he was at the stock exchange, but video will show he wasn't. - The plan didn't need to work longterm, Bruce was always going to be able to prove that there was fraud.
Bane attacking the stock exchange in the morning, then a short while later leaving in the late afternoon, and seconds later it is pitch black. - Watch it again, when the hostages exit the Stock Exchange the police clearly have their headlights on. Bane was in there for quite a while and the sun was now going down. He wasn't in there for the 4 minutes that was shown on screen
The police going after Batman instead of they guys who just attacked the SE and took hostages. - Foley wanted Gordon's job, thought if he took down the Batman he would get a promotion. Nothing wrong with that at all, it was very consistent with his character and it made it all the more powerful when he decided to do what was right for the city and not himself. Foley had a great character arc.
Batman somehow being able to park the "batwing" in an alley with no one noticing. - Did you not see the secret hiding place he put the Batpod in? It's not too far out of the realm of possibility that he had a way of hiding the Bat. Kind of like the camoflague canvas we saw later
The SE opening the next morning and accepting everything that happened as being legit. - Listen to what Fox says again: "Longterm you'll be able to prove FRAUD"!
The "billionaire playboy" not putting up any kind of fight when he finds out he's lost all of his money. - He didn't care at all what happened to him at that point in the story, he just wanted to die being Batman. Geez you don't even understand the film, he didn't care about his life, it wasn't until he rose out of the pit that he was the man we were familiar with, the Batman character who cares about his life.
The police showing up in force seconds after the guy used the congressman's phone. - They had nothing to do, a missing Congressman was very high on their priority list, I mean it's either that or chase down overdue library books
Bruce not decommissioning the device when he was worried about it being used as a bomb. - At the time he was more worried about the future of Wayne Enterprises and keeping it out of the hands of Daggett, he had no reason to believe that Bane had any interest in the reactor
Fox not simply flooding the chamber when he was to put in his code. - OK now you're just being flat out idiotic. Bane was watching his every move, I am sure Fox would have had to go through several screens saying "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO FLOOD THE ROOM THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY STANDING IN", and I am sure if Fox deviated from his instructions in anyway it would have results in a rifle butt to the head and Fredericks getting executed.
Being able to plant all of explosives over months without anyone noticing. - Bane was using Daggetts cement trucks to lay the explosive concrete, he had been at it for months.
The useless 'clean slate' program which will miraculously delete the print outs of all of Selena's arrest reports. - Don't believe anyone ever said it did that.
Bruce recovering from a "broken back" in a few days time. - Idiot, it took months, look at the amount of facial hair he had when he got out of the sling. Where in the movie did it say it only took a few days?
Bruce not breaking his back again when he leaps and fails. - This is also the guy who has survived diving out of 50 story buildings before, that fall was no problem for him
Batman only shooting a few rounds before taking off and allowing the police to get killed. - He was not about the gun down the entire army, he's not an executioner, all he ever intended to do was take out Bane's rocket launchers
The bad guys shooting automatic AK-47's at point-blank range at closely grouped police and only 6 police getting shot. - Only six were shown on screen, you know damn well that more fell down, what is Nolan now required to show every single cop who got killed? I feel that was mess up the pacing of the battle, are off screen deaths now not allowed?
Talia dying from the wreck, but Gordon, in the back with the bomb, doesn't even have a bloody nose. - Talia was in the driver seat, the entire force of the fall hit her right in the chest
Not having enough time left on the bomb for Bruce to get it out of the city. - The Bat was a rejected piece of military equipment, I have already cited several military planes that could have easily cleared the city in that amount of time
Not having enough time left on the bomb for Bruce to get away from the blast. - See above
Bruce saying he doesn't want anyone to follow him; Batman is just a symbol. Then leaving Blake the batcave. - When did he say he didn't want anyone to follow him? If you are referring to the fake Batmen
- The entire thing looked like a plane crash, no reason at all to believe the plane was hijacked
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WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(March 09, 2016 06:04 PM)
Good lord. Here we go again. Hippo boy putting on the goggles and going full Tard to protect his previous little dumb Batman movie.
- The entire thing looked like a plane crash, no reason at all to believe the plane was hijacked
Never mind the fact that the fuselage was full of shell casings and poked full of bullet holes. Those come standard in plane crashes these days? - Watch it again, when the hostages exit the Stock Exchange the police clearly have their headlights on. Bane was in there for quite a while and the sun was now going down. He wasn't in there for the 4 minutes that was shown on screen
What are you basing this on?? He walks in, punches a few people, and they plug in to make their phony trades. Police have only just shown up and are trying to figure out their next move when Bane goes mobile.
What does headlights being on prove?? You realize that most cars made in the last decade come with standard day lights. What kind of piece is sh/t car do you drive?? I haven't turned my head lights on or off since like 2005.
Regardless of you having NOTHING to base a multi hour stand off took place, you still can't explain how it goes from day to night in a matter of minutes. My suggestion to you would be to just own it as a filmmaking mistake instead of trying to defend the indefensible, unless of course you actually enjoy having everyone think you're an idiot.
Foley had a great character arc
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah.right. How original. Yeah, we really saw him grow and change. I can't speak for everyone, but I was soooo moved by his character in the end. Derp.
he just wanted to die being Batman
Which is of course total bullsh/t. He's been moping around for years, MAKING ZERO EFFORT TO DIE AS BATMAN, and now all of a sudden he's aching to get in the suit and be killed?? He just woke up one day and made that decision? Seeing Catwoman rob him made him want to die?? Where was that turning point?? - Talia was in the driver seat, the entire force of the fall hit her right in the chest
Vs the cushioning back of the truck?? Do you even think things through before blindly defending? Gordon can't even see what's coming. He can't do so much as brace one way or another. Oh, and he's surrounded by jagged edges of steel. Just more idiotic writing. - The Bat was a rejected piece of military equipment, I have already cited several military planes that could have easily cleared the city in that amount of time
You might as well be citing a motorcycle or jet ski. That's about how accurately they also compare to a PROPELLER driven air craft.
Then factor in the fact that he's towing a damn 2 ton piece of steel. Then there's also the fact that he's lsunchimg from a dead stop, needs to elevate, navigate around the buildings, and clear the city before even attempting to start towards top speed.
I realize you're not the brightest individual, but I'd love to see your gorilla math on the speeds he traveled at to reach 6 miles of safe distance. This should be a hoot.
- The entire thing looked like a plane crash, no reason at all to believe the plane was hijacked
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justanicknamed — 10 years ago(March 10, 2016 06:55 AM)
Just like the stupidity of pumping blood into the guy's vein as if that is going to prove who he is or is not.
- The entire thing looked like a plane crash, no reason at all to believe the plane was hijacked
Which explains the reasoning behind pumping blood into the decoy's arm how???
Stealing Bruce's fingerprints to prove he was at the stock exchange, but video will show he wasn't. - The plan didn't need to work longterm, Bruce was always going to be able to prove that there was fraud.
It wouldn't work at all since the SEC and FBI wouldn't have allowed the exchange to open the next day and such stupidity in his trades would have negated any transfer of power.
Bane attacking the stock exchange in the morning, then a short while later leaving in the late afternoon, and seconds later it is pitch black. - Watch it again, when the hostages exit the Stock Exchange the police clearly have their headlights on. Bane was in there for quite a while and the sun was now going down. He wasn't in there for the 4 minutes that was shown on screen
Yes, they have their headlights on. And, I'm sure it took a while to get all of the police there. But, he attacked in the morning. If it took several hours to hack into the system then he hired the worst hacker in the world or his plan was cr*p.
In addition, within a few minutes of Bane leaving the exchange, it is now pitch black (just so Batman can show up at night)
The police going after Batman instead of they guys who just attacked the SE and took hostages. - Foley wanted Gordon's job, thought if he took down the Batman he would get a promotion. Nothing wrong with that at all, it was very consistent with his character and it made it all the more powerful when he decided to do what was right for the city and not himself. Foley had a great character arc.
I get that part of his character, but it is still a flaw that all of the police abandoned the chase for someone who just assaulted dozens of people and terrorized the exchange. There's no way that 100% of the cops would have abandoned the chase. We saw that there were cops who supported Batman; not all would have gone after him instead of the guys who were actual threats.
Batman somehow being able to park the "batwing" in an alley with no one noticing. - Did you not see the secret hiding place he put the Batpod in? It's not too far out of the realm of possibility that he had a way of hiding the Bat. Kind of like the camoflague canvas we saw later
Yes. It was in an alley. Off of a major street. In a major town. It wasn't on a roof top. He would have had to come down between the buildings thus attracting a lot of attention. We heard the noise it made when he left and it wasn't exactly quiet.
The SE opening the next morning and accepting everything that happened as being legit. - Listen to what Fox says again: "Longterm you'll be able to prove FRAUD"!
And even short term he'll be able to prove fraud. In addition, the FBI and SEC wouldn't have allowed the exchange to open the very next day. After 9/11 it took a couple of days for the NYSE to reopen, and it wasn't a direct attack on it.
The "billionaire playboy" not putting up any kind of fight when he finds out he's lost all of his money. - He didn't care at all what happened to him at that point in the story, he just wanted to die being Batman. Geez you don't even understand the film, he didn't care about his life, it wasn't until he rose out of the pit that he was the man we were familiar with, the Batman character who cares about his life.
Geez. You don't even understand that Bruce has a PUBLIC perception about him. He's a playboy who drives fast cars, hangs out with hot women and buys things no one else can. yet, when he's told he's broke he acts like the Rev. Jim from Taxi. "Uh.okey doke"
The police showing up in force seconds after the guy used the congressman's phone. - They had nothing to do, a missing Congressman was very high on their priority list, I mean it's either that or chase down overdue library books
Thank God they all KNEW to hang around in a bad part of town so they could be there in a moment's time to rescue him!
Bruce not decommissioning the device when he was worried about it being used as a bomb. - At the time he was more worried about the future of Wayne Enterprises and keeping it out of the hands of Daggett, he had no reason to believe that Bane had any interest in the reactor
Bruce told Fox that he SPECIFICALLY didn't turn it on because he was worried it would be used as a weapon. This was
BEFORE
he was worried about Bane getting his hands on it.
Fox not simply flooding the chamber when he was to put in his code. - OK now you're just being flat out idiotic. Bane was watching his every move, I am sure Fox would have had to go through several screens saying "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO FLOOD THE ROOM THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY STANDING IN", and I am sure if Fox deviated from his instructions in anyway it would have results in a rifle butt to the he
- The entire thing looked like a plane crash, no reason at all to believe the plane was hijacked