The Superior is Obsessed with the Son of Coul?
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Norrin_Radd_Of_Zenn_La — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 02:11 PM)
Which is why I stated that
The Superior
has
Inferior
knowledge as part of his
Obsession
.
What the episode is trying to imply, albeit directly and not too subtly, is that Agent Coulson
IS
SHIELD. Coulson wasn't there when Loreli shows up. Coulson wasn't there when the Berseker staff was located. And as you said there are those events that the alleged public knows about. The Superior fancied himself obsessed but has so limited knowledge of events and what should be conspiracies around Agent Coulson and all these "other" events.
You have HYDRA operating an entire arm of their organization tasked with bringing back an unknown entity from somewhere and
The Superior
(who is obsessed with Coulson and extra-terrestrial events) has no knowledge because it wasn't public?
Both he and Senator Nadeer are rather ill-informed. Don't you think?
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caseyrook — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 02:29 PM)
The problem is, we don't know the extent to which the Team (Coulson, May, Fitz, Simmons, Mack, Daisy) have spilled the beans about everything that happened in the three and a half years of SHIELD being an underground spy organization.
For instance, the team (and Talbot) knows that Daisy and Coulson have Kree blood in their systems.
Did that become common knowledge with the regime change?
Did the team ever release information about Maveth? Sure Talbot knew that Hive came from Maveth, but did he know that Simmons spent 6 months there? Or that Coulson and Fitz were there too.
Besides Rosalind, did Malick tell anyone else outside of Coulson's team about TAHITI?
Does anyone outside of the team know that Coulson went cuckoobird because of the Kree blood?
Does the regular world know about Afterlife
We don't know the logistics of Coulson stepping down and Mace taking over.
Did Talbot, The UN, and Congress just seize literally every file that SHIELD had and learn everything?
Did the the Team even document those things or did Coulson tell them not too and store everything in The Toolbox?
Unless we get answers to these questions, we can't know how much the Superior, Nadeer, or anyone else unaffiliated with SHIELD knows about Coulson and his shenanigans. -
Norrin_Radd_Of_Zenn_La — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 02:49 PM)
Everything you stated is true but is also a misdirection as to what
The Superior
knows or doesn't know.
The pic of Coulson standing at the Crash site of Mjolnir wasn't public knowledge and or publicly accessible. He (Phil Coulson) had to have been under surveillance. The pic of Agent Coulson inside the containment facility wasn't publicly accessible either. Those pics were also taken before the Battle of NY and his death.
The pic of Coulson at the lock-up where Robbie Reyes' uncle was held seemed to have been supplied by Senator Nadeer and it was before Phil was outed as being alive.
I'm only dealing with
The Superior's
so-called
Obsession
and the show's attempt to normalize or even legitimize their reason for keeping his death a secret. What I think the show is trying to do is create a consequence for keeping Phil's death a secret or even a reason as to why his apparent resurrection would be such a valuable piece of information.
Truth be told why and how would
The Superior
not just surmise that Coulson's death was nothing more than a clever or even not-too-clever ruse. Fake deaths are a dime a dozen in the real world and also on AoS. Witness protection any one?
No, apparently
The Superior
is insane and wants to figure out just who Phil Coulson really is based on some very tenuous connections between Coulson and a few extra-terrestrial events that even the public is aware of and some that the public isn't aware of.
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DoTheMath — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 04:34 PM)
The pic of Coulson standing at the Crash site of Mjolnir wasn't public knowledge and or publicly accessible. He (Phil Coulson) had to have been under surveillance. The pic of Agent Coulson inside the containment facility wasn't publicly accessible either. Those pics were also taken before the Battle of NY and his death.
From the transcript:
We have a match. Leo Babikov.
Ex-SVR, Special Ops
The same Special Ops division the two men who tried to assassinate the Director were in.
And there's our link to Nadeer.
Get this.
They all have ties to Prime Minister Olshenko.
The Russian Prime Minister who was attacked by an Inhuman
And then threw Bobbi and Hunter under the bus after they saved his life. This is bad. We got Nadeer, International Watchdogs, and Russian spies all united because Because they hate Inhumans.
Yeah, that's why they want the Darkhold.
My take:
The Superior is a salivating attack dog that was given a directive by the Russian Prime Minister. SuperDoggie is drinking the Russian Pres' kool-aide. The Russ Pres gave SuperDoggie all the intel the Russ Pres could dig up on born again Phil.
Russ Pres was attack by an Inhuman so now he's all "kill 'em all". Plus, remember, Coulson embarrassed the RussPres in Parting Shot. Ye ole Russ Press probably got back home and got some subservient dogs to lick his wounds for him and bolster his ego then he decided he'd set out on a vendetta against Son of Coul to save face.
It's like Russia is the New Hydra with Russ Pres as the Head, and SuperDoggie is the Bakshi/List/Zola.
WW III, anybody?
RIP 616
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Norrin_Radd_Of_Zenn_La — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 05:23 PM)
My take:
The Superior is a salivating attack dog that was given a directive by the Russian Prime Minister. SuperDoggie is drinking the Russian Pres' kool-aide. The Russ Pres gave SuperDoggie all the intel the Russ Pres could dig up on born again Phil.
Russ Pres was attack by an Inhuman so now he's all "kill 'em all". Plus, remember, Coulson embarrassed the RussPres in Parting Shot. Ye ole Russ Press probably got back home and got some subservient dogs to lick his wounds for him and bolster his ego then he decided he'd set out on a vendetta against Son of Coul to save face.
It's like Russia is the New Hydra with Russ Pres as the Head, and SuperDoggie is the Bakshi/List/Zola.
WW III, anybody?
The Russian connection to
The Superior's
Obsession is indeed implied and the Russian connection was being manipulated by Malick. Anton Petrov was the Russian Attache who was negotiating and politicking for an Inhuman Sanctuary within Russian borders. A Russian General of Defense (An Inhuman) wanted to lead that Sanctuary and was killed by Bobbie. The Russian PM wanted to save face and had to explain how and why three high ranking government officials were killed and the Russian PM didn't want to mention a coup. At that point Phil was introduced to the Russian Dmitri not as Phil Coulson but as the Advisor to the ATCU investigating Advanced Threats.
So yes there is some payback by the Russians implied and unfulfilled because the countries were in a rather obvious arms race for Inhuman weapons. The Russians probably still want those weapons.
The Superior could be someone as simple as a deranged and jealous Russian soldier who suddenly feels obsoleted by the uprising of these new and soon to be weaponized Inhumans once the Russians get their hands on some.
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DoTheMath — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 06:18 PM)
I don't think that SuperDoggie is "top dog"; I think he's a lap dog.
I think since The Russian PM doesn't have Malick offering him the moon anymore, he's done a Inhumans Policy 180 in order to cover the fact that he was kissing Hydra buns and wants revenge on Coulson for embarrassing him in front of POTUS.
Sounds Putin-ny to me.
RIP 616
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caseyrook — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 05:09 PM)
I can't explain the pic of Coulson visiting Eli in prison, but whose to say a SHIELD agent didn't screen grab that shot of Phil standing above Mjilnor from a security camera?
That pic would have been. Uploaded online when Black Widow uploaded everything to the internet. -
Norrin_Radd_Of_Zenn_La — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 05:37 PM)
I can't explain the pic of Coulson visiting Eli in prison, but whose to say a SHIELD agent didn't screen grab that shot of Phil standing above Mjilnor from a security camera?
It might have been The Land of Enchantment but they were out in the middle of nowhere with no security camera around for 50 miles.
Phil visited the site by himself and called Fury. But it doesn't matter anyway.
The Superior
had a still and there had to be surveillance that would not have been publicly available.
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caseyrook — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 10:48 AM)
I was talking about the pic of Coulson standing on the scaffolding inside the 'bubble' around Mjilnor.
If you want an explanation for the other picture of him arriving at the 084 site, I can give you two.- This involves suspension of disbelief: Whose to say a satellite couldn't have seen him at that angle and someone got his picture?
- This one is real world and applies to all of the pictures that we see: The AoS Production needed pics of Clark Gregg in the movies.
They didn't have time or resources to take brand new pics and fit them into the show so they just pulled stills from the movies.
Also, they were just concerned about us, the audience, understanding that this Captain had an obsession with Coulson. We're not really meant to question how he got his hands on those particular pics.
I'm personally choosing to go with the second choice. Yes, it's annoying that they just went with stills from the movies and AoS with CG in them, and it doesn't make sense when you think about it, but whatever.
It's a slight nitpick when you consider how hard everyone works on the show and for how long.
I can let it slide.
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Norrin_Radd_Of_Zenn_La — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 03:47 PM)
I was talking about the pic of Coulson standing on the scaffolding inside the 'bubble' around Mjilnor.
If you want an explanation for the other picture of him arriving at the 084 site, I can give you two.
Sorry about that. I'm apparently exhibiting some of the same limited abilities of reading and deduction as
The Superior
.
My point about all of his pictures were that they were not publicly available intel and that his acquired intel was so faulty and or limited that he made this great leap to Phil Coulson being the cause of and solution to all of the Kree, Inhuman and Chitauri problems?!!!! What the Deuce!!!
They didn't have time or resources to take brand new pics and fit them into the show so they just pulled stills from the movies.
It is not so much about the pictures but his rationale for using any pics like that to form an intelligence decision or intelligence action against Phil Coulson and NOT SHIELD itself.
Unless the show is explicitly trying to suggest that Phil Coulson
IS
SHIELD. Why isn't it Nick Fury from the POV of
The Superior
?
I'm personally choosing to go with the second choice. Yes, it's annoying that they just went with stills from the movies and AoS with CG in them, and it doesn't make sense when you think about it, but whatever.
Again, I'm not questioning the photos themselves just how
The Superior
used them to connect some rather strange unseen dots between Phil Coulson and the few extraterrestrial events that he is aware of.
It's a slight nitpick when you consider how hard everyone works on the show and for how long.
That is a rather odd reason to suggest a rationale or defense of the staff of the show when in essence no one is attacking them. Last time I checked they all get paid for what they do. When they toil hard, perseverating over details, trying to get it right just for us fans.
They are rewarded with a paycheck.
They are NOT doing favors for us as fans. Again, no one is blaming or attacking them for anything any way.
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Norrin_Radd_Of_Zenn_La — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 01:27 PM)
you went from A to B to Z pretty quickly.
Not really. For me it was
The Superior
that made that rapid leap from
A
Extraterrestrials are here and I have seen Agent Coulson at a few locations, to
Z
Agent Coulson is the Cause of and Solution to all of the Kree, Chitauri and Inhuman problems??
Why did
The Superior
fail to mention Asgard? Maybe there is an Aryan connection for him, even though he might be more ethnically Slavic?
I can give you the one thing that even the great Galactus needs!