Meh. Probably not.
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!!!deleted!!! (52029528) — 11 years ago(November 26, 2014 12:44 AM)
No. Those movies are worse. But then again those were just movies you can laugh at. Batman and Robin were at least self aware stupidthis was more disappointing because I expected it to be awesomewellsorta..I-fvck it idk
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Vermilion315 — 11 years ago(November 26, 2014 11:58 AM)
This I can agree with.
There are some movies that are entertaining in spite of (and in the case of the aforementioned, because of) how bad they are, but the problem with MoS is that it so desperately wants to be a deeply serious movie with pathos and gravitas, but anything of meaning is superficial and glossed over. I mean, Superman himself uttered about 5 sentences by the time the movie had gone on for an hour. You kidding me? The protagonist and namesake of your movie has NO lines to speak of? And you guys seriously praise Cavill's performance more than Reeve, whose portrayal of the character actually had personality and charisma? Give me a break. One of the most colossal disappointments within the genre, unquestionably.
I have a hard time picturing this mute, wooden character as the leader of the Justice League. The writer and director either didn't have enough confidence in their material, the character himself, or the actor (perhaps all three), and that's just sad. What's REALLY sad is that a jingoistic, flag thumping boyscout like Captain America has a more fleshed out personality and leadership skills than the granddaddy of all superheroes. That's just a travesty. -
!!!deleted!!! (52029528) — 11 years ago(November 26, 2014 04:34 PM)
Winter solider made me love captain America. I'm legit excited for him in Avengers 2. He has a personality. It's basically where marvel succeeds and DC/WB failed here. marvel wasn't afraid caps antiquated ways wouldn't capture audiences. They let cap be cap. It's like MoS was ashamed of the character and essentially changed the make up of that character.
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Vermilion315 — 11 years ago(November 26, 2014 06:51 PM)
Agree on Cap, but with regard to MoS, I don't even think it was a matter of them changing Superman, they just didn't do anything with him. He was practically a blank slate the entire time. Certainly, at least half the cast had more dialogue than he did, and when he wasn't speaking, he was doing one of two things - listening to someone preach, or fighting.
This is why it always puzzles me when people give Cavill all of this superlative praise for his "performance". What performance? The guy barely did or said a thing. I can't even imagine how awkward the production of this movie must have been for him; if it were me, I'd be stuck saying to myself "Ok, so when will I get to do some acting?" You compare his role to that of any other protagonist from the genre within the last 15 years or so, and his Superman is far and away the most wooden, vanilla portrayal of a leading man by far. That's sad, because movies that were far worse (although there aren't many) have more fleshed out characters than Man of Steel did. I can't even think of another example where that applies. The thing is, however, that I don't even blame the guy; he was simply doing what he was told and working with what was given to him as an actor. If it's anybody's fault that we got such an anemic Superman, it falls squarely on the shoulders of Snyder. Goyer too, of course, but the buck stops at the guy behind the camera at the end of the day, because as the chief storyteller behind the project, he should've found a way to incorporate his lead's actual character and personality into the film.
This singular detail is among the many reasons why I just can't even empathize with most Man of Steel fans. The way they praise the movie is just patently untrue in a lot of cases, and I can't even see things from their perspective because the stuff they say about this movie is just so off the wall. For most other movies I dislike, I can at least get why fans feel the way they feel about it. In most cases, they can actually articulate what they liked about the movie in a sensible, and more importantly,
accurate
manner. About the only thing that I can ever seem to agree with them on is the aesthetics; the sets and costumes really do look splendid, but that's about where it begins and ends. This movie really is a phenomenon all right, but for all the wrong reasons. -
!!!deleted!!! (52029528) — 11 years ago(November 26, 2014 09:32 PM)
Totally agree on Cavill. I actually think he's a great choice for Superman. But the movie does nothing with him. His first line of dialogue was in that bar scene. He had two lines. I don't think he spoke again until Jor el meets him. I feel bad for the guy because he in the very few scenes he had something to work with..I think he did good. But never have I seen a leading man who was given such little dialogue.
The fanboys will tell you it was "intentional" or that "it's not about lines so much as body language"I agree he has good presence but ya need something to say. It's like they thought the flashbacks could develop his entire characterbut the flashbacks don't do a good job following his arc anyway. -
Donnie_Darkrr — 11 years ago(November 27, 2014 03:14 AM)
Well, he's not in (most of) the flashbacks anyway, so you have bad character development and three actors trying to play the same part at different intervals. I'm sure Snyder probably thought that was no big deal; after all, Nolan did it in 'Batman Begins.'
I had no particular opinion of Cavill before seeing this movie but now, I just think of him as a walking constipated frown. Whether that's all the movie allowed him to do, I don't know, but he didn't particularly impress me.
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eholzapfel26 — 11 years ago(December 28, 2014 10:17 PM)
So, this begs the question: which is worse,
Man of Steel
or
Superman Returns
?
As a Superman fan, I hated them both.
I have to say that I liked Cavill as Superman more than Routh (pretty much on simply a looks & physique level) but MoS was so off-base as a Superman movie (especially an origin & re-boot for the greatest known, American icon when the film turned into yet another variation on the War of the Worlds invasion story dominated by a seemingly endless, Transformers-style CGI-fest of incomprehensible moving stuff). -
Donnie_Darkrr — 11 years ago(April 02, 2015 02:00 PM)
So, this begs the question: which is worse, Man of Steel or Superman Returns?
As a Superman fan, I hated them both.
I would say (and have said often said) that, although 'Returns' was a deeply flawed movie, it was still a far more
well-crafted
movie than this incoherent mess of space-wangs and Red Bull. There are some shots in 'Returns' that are so gorgeous, you could frame them and hang them on the wall. By contrast, 'Man of Steel' was a sickly-looking and drab affair for the most part, even in many of the action scenes.
Superman 1938-2013. R.I.P. Look up in the sky -
ReelReviews14 — 11 years ago(December 29, 2014 12:22 AM)
Some EXCELLENT comments in this thread!
Is 'Man Of Steel' the worst CBM EVER?
Say what you want, this movie is just awful.
One of the worst in recent years? probably
most overrated by their fanbase. even the people who liked ASM2 don't call it a masterpiece. they don't say this was the best superhero film ever
It might be the worst in terms of expectation. what it was trying to be and how badly it failed at that
So, this begs the question: which is worse, Man of Steel or Superman Returns?
MoS was so off-base as a Superman movie (especially an origin & re-boot for the greatest known, American icon when the film turned into yet another variation on the War of the Worlds invasion story dominated by a seemingly endless, Transformers-style CGI-fest of incomprehensible moving stuff).
As a Superman fan, I hated them
some schumacher batmans as obvious duds but at least those movies were somewhat self-aware. I can watch those for 10 min and laugh at how dumb they are.
this was more disappointing
MOS worse then Ghost Rider, The Spirit, Superman IV, Batman and Robin
those were just movies you can laugh at. Batman and Robin were at least self aware stupid
Batman & Robin, Ghost Rider, Catwoman bad
MOS could be considered worse because they are trying to build a cinematic universe off this crappy foundation.
'Manos; Hands Of Fate' Even that film is a masterpiece compared to this crap.
the problem with MoS is that it so desperately wants to be a deeply serious movie with pathos and gravitas, but anything of meaning is superficial and glossed over. I mean, Superman himself uttered about 5 sentences by the time the movie had gone on for an hour. You kidding me? The protagonist and namesake of your movie has NO lines to speak of? And you guys seriously praise Cavill's performance more than Reeve, whose portrayal of the character actually had personality and charisma? Give me a break. One of the most colossal disappointments within the genre, unquestionably.
I had no particular opinion of Cavill before seeing this movie but now, I just think of him as a walking constipated frown. that's all the movie allowed him to do
You compare his role to that of any other protagonist from the genre within the last 15 years or so, and his Superman is far and away the most wooden, vanilla portrayal of a leading man by far. That's sad, because movies that were far worse (although there aren't many) have more fleshed out characters than Man of Steel did. I can't even think of another example where that applies.
I have a hard time picturing this mute, wooden character as the leader of the Justice League. The writer and director either didn't have enough confidence in their material, the character himself, or the actor (perhaps all three), and that's just sad. What's REALLY sad is that a jingoistic, flag thumping boyscout like Captain America has a more fleshed out personality and leadership skills than the granddaddy of all superheroes. That's just a travesty.
Winter solider made me love captain America. I'm legit excited for him in Avengers 2. He has a personality. It's basically where marvel succeeds and DC/WB failed here. marvel wasn't afraid caps antiquated ways wouldn't capture audiences. They let cap be cap. It's like MoS was ashamed of the character and essentially changed the make up of that character.
The fanboys will tell you it was "intentional"
I just can't even empathize with most Man of Steel fans. The way they praise the movie is just patently untrue in a lot of cases, and I can't even see things from their perspective because the stuff they say about this movie is just so off the wall. For most other movies I dislike, I can at least get why fans feel the way they feel about it. In most cases, they can actually articulate what they liked about the movie in a sensible, and more importantly, accurate manner. -
eholzapfel26 — 11 years ago(December 29, 2014 04:44 PM)
The good thing about
Man of Steel
is it made me view
Superman Returns
in a different light.
Previously, I felt
Returns
was the last straw when it came to Superman movies.
MoS
showed that there was still one more straw left (and this not only broke the camel's back, but flattened it like General Zod bringing one of upteen buildings down upon it!) -
NewDivide1701 — 10 years ago(July 15, 2015 09:24 PM)
I would say Green Lantern along with Batman and Robin would be among the worst CBMs ever.
Man of Steel? Far above the basement, around the penthouse area like the Dark Knight trilogy level.
Forgive me, I'm not an idiot, so.