Hate to admit, but this was severely disappointing
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Gorillaboi — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 04:49 PM)
BvS, for me, was brilliant. I don't quite understand the hate it gets. The plot was somewhat okay, but Affleck's portrayal as Wayne/Bat really did elevate the overall film. Those fight scenes were incredible. I enjoyed every second of them.
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Yorick-6 — 9 years ago(August 06, 2016 05:10 AM)
Yeah, BvS was pretty good. I don't get the hate either - even if the movie doesn't work with someone, they should at least be able to respect the things it does well. Have we ever had better better Batman fight scenes? A Superman that feels appropriately powerful?
Different people have different opinions naturally, but it's hard to see how people could objectively think it's a terrible movie. And it's RT score is below Batman Forever, which is nuts. -
questioninganswers — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 05:03 PM)
I agree with almost everything you said. It was a disappointment after being hyped up so much. It's the complete opposite of Ghostbusters.
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shawnmichael15 — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 06:04 PM)
Pretty much agree with a lot of things you said relating to a lack of structure, Harley Quinn's shananigans getting tiresome, feeling like it wasn't the original movie, etc.
My biggest complaints have to be how they completely missed an opportunity to dress Harley Quinn in the same outfit she was in the animated series. Yes they had that one breif flashback with her wearing the costume dancing with the Joker, but it looked so cool like that! It should have been her "war" outfit or something and worn through out most of the film. She had no disguise. I feel like her look was so lazy. Looked like she bought pink and blue manic hair dye, a fishnet legging and a studded belt from Hot Topic and called it a day.. Wasted opportunity in my opinion because for me the accent and personality (for the MOST part) was there.
Killer Croc. "Not me homie, I'm beautiful." Seriously..? Enough said. I cringed so hard at that.
There were way too many characters. The Enhantress stuff was way over the top and I didn't even realize she was the biggest threat until the end. As someone said it felt like a zombie movie.
Some of the flashbacks were quite confusing too.
And I don't know if it's just an opinion or it makes the film bad but Amanda was a very bad person so there really is no good person to root for. Okay rant over. -
Gorillaboi — 9 years ago(August 06, 2016 03:45 AM)
Yes, I found that quite odd, too. Harley Quinn's costume, or her black-red combo at least, is very well known. Instead of looking like a slutty cheerleader, it would have been better to put her in a battered/worn body suit of some sort that still maintained the sexiness they wanted. However, after doing a bit of research, it appears as though they modelled her after the latter adaptation (52 version) of the character. In that she adopts the blue-red combo and shorts, etc.
As for Amanda, lol, she was more of a villain than the actual enchantress. I guess they made her that way to force us to root for the Suicide Squad a bit more? Who knows. -
martavisgriffin — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 06:19 PM)
Agreed. There really was no structure to it. The beginning was great and the characters were well done. But the story was just non existence. They needed a much better villain and a lot better action scenes. It was a pretty mediocre movie.
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faceless-man — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 06:19 PM)
I disagree about the characters. I thought they were awesome with good performances from the actors and great chemistry between them. The villain was kinda lame but I liked the last fight she had against the full squad.
Regarding the Joker, I just can't form an opinion yet. There were some glimpses of greatness in Leto's performance but his role was so short that I can't possibly compare him to his predecessors. His relationship with Harley was spot on though. I really hope they're in the Batman standalone movie with more screen time.
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b5erik — 9 years ago(August 07, 2016 11:10 AM)
Generally speaking, I'm more of a DC fan. I tend to root for their movies as I've always preferred their darker, more serious tone and better villains. I had/have very high hopes for their new fleet of titles. But whilst I loved Batman vs Superman (and am very keen to see Justice League), I have to admit that Suicide Squad is absolutely terrible. Considering its hype, it's one of the worst comic book films I've seen in recent years.
So, why was it bad?
Poor structure / story: To be honest, I don't think there even was a structure to this movie. After a rushed and choppy introduction to each of the characters, a bunch of stuff just happens for them to fight. The story is non-existent. There's no central character to follow, or even a decent villain to understand/appreciate their motives. To sum up, it seems like they changed/re-edited the film AFTER they made it. Everything is so choppy and poorly edited, that you can't help but feel large chunks of it have been left out. Undoubtedly, this is not the movie that they started with.
Forgettable action: Okay, so the plot isn't very good. But as a comic book film, the action can salvage this, right? Wrong. It's not that the action is bad. It's just that there's nothing memorable about it. Batman vs Superman had the amazing first battle (followed up by the amazing Martha Kent rescue by Batman), and Civil War had the incredible airport fight. Suicide Squad has NOTHING. It tries very hard to create one meaningful/impactful sequence with Deadshot, but it is soooo underwhelming that you begin to feel sorry for them.
Joker: If you have high hopes for the amazing Jared Leto and the iconic Joker character that's contributed to most of the movie's hype, then prepare for an epic let-down. Firstly, he barely even features throughout the two hours. And secondly his introduction and the few scenes involving him, are so rushed and pointless in the grand-scheme of whatever the plot is. Again, when they edited this, Jared Leto's Joker became somewhat of an afterthought. There was no real insight into him, no progression, and quite frankly, you quickly lose any interest in him because his role is so meaningless. It's remarkable how badly they got this wrong!
Uninteresting characters: Harley Quinn quickly grows tiresome with her dittzy/crazy demeanour. If you've caught all of the trailers and promotional material beforehand, then you've already seen her best bits. The croc dude is pointless and just growls. The fire guy has a sympathetic backstory but offers very little. Jai Courtney is quite funny as the Australian bloke. And although Though I was cynical going in, Will Smith as Deadshot was surprisingly good (so props for that).
There are many other things wrong which, at this moment, I don't have the energy to put down. And as a viewer it's becoming increasingly frustrating to not get a good stand-alone comic book movie anymore. The producers are so franchise-focused that they concentrate more on setting up future instalments, than just making a good movie.
An honest and accurate assessment. Bravo.
This kind of review is the kind of thing that will push WB/DC to hire better writers and directors in the future (and to stop messing with the reshoots & editing so that the movies can actually be cohesive and have decent pacing).
