The van kidnapping scene really turned me off.. should i keep watching?
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thepennyshowman — 9 years ago(June 14, 2016 04:25 AM)
a) Jessica has no fight training whatsoever.
b) she doesn't want to kill anyone.
c) she doesn't know her own strength, she is scared of her strength, so she was severely pulling her punches
d) multiple cars were following the tracker, not the van itself so they could have been coming in from any direction (because it's quicker and because it makes more sense tactically to not let your quarry see you coming)
e) breaking Kilgrave's jaw would have stopped him talking - but it would also stop him from being able to PROVE his powers exist which is the WHOLE POINT OF WHY THEY WERE TRYING TO KIDNAP HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
f) the earplugs thing - just because YOU can't hear him, doesn't mean the people all around you can't hear him as he orders them to kill you, or kill themselves etc.
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dodgerblufitted — 9 years ago(June 14, 2016 04:34 AM)
I see.. But how many innocent people died because of Kilgrave? Why is proving his powers to save a woman from doing 15 years in prison more important than saving innocent people from this terrorist rapist monster with powers? As far as im concerned, shoot him with a tranquilizer and stomp on his head like a grape. End of story. Who knows how many women hes raped or people hes killed. The whole "prove" story line was just awful..
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thepennyshowman — 9 years ago(June 14, 2016 06:51 AM)
how many innocent people died because of Kilgrave?
about 17. There is a thread on this.
Why is proving his powers to save a woman from doing 15 years in prison more important than saving innocent people from this terrorist rapist monster with powers?
To us? Not as important. To Jessica, it's everything. She has severe survivor's guilt, plus she is still traumatised by everything he did to her and she wants to see him exposed and sent to prison. It's easy to say you'd do things differently if you're not in that situation.
he told the blonde to put a bullet in her head, and his dad to cut his heart out. Why did the commands wear off for the blonde but not the dad? And once your out of range you should be safe
It's not about range, it's about TIME, in regards to effects wearing off. Once Trish had -in a way- put a bullet in her head, she had fulfilled the command and she was free. The dad had to wait until the compunction wore off.
Yet in the bar fight with Luke she sure was doing all kinds of karate and self defense moves and disposed 4 men without breaking a sweat
No she didn't. She:
Throws a guy to the floor
Throws another guy over a table
Gets jumped on by a third guy and pushes herself and him back against the bar, before swinging him around and smacking the second guy with a telephone.
Kicks the third guy to the wall
Then the second guy tries to punch her and she catches the punch then throws him.
No self-defence or martial arts - not even bar fighting, just throwing people around.
If you want to discuss REAL problems with this show, then you need to be at the level of someone like
robertblakenyc
who has some actual decent criticisms about it. I'll happily discuss them with you - I loved the show, but I'm no blind fanboy; It was far from perfect in a lot of ways.
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TheFatDruidofNacyl — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 05:10 PM)
If you think of how many people died or was injured because Batman refuses to kill the Joker, or the other villains. Spider-man refuses to kill Carnage even though it would save lives. There are many heroes that refuse to kill even if it would save lives.
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dodgerblufitted — 9 years ago(June 14, 2016 04:38 AM)
One last thing, he told the blonde to put a bullet in her head, and his dad to cut his heart out. Why did the commands wear off for the blonde but not the dad? And once your out of range you should be safe.. just so many holes and illogical things. Sheesh
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dmcreif — 9 years ago(June 14, 2016 04:05 PM)
f) the earplugs thing - just because YOU can't hear him, doesn't mean the people all around you can't hear him as he orders them to kill you, or kill themselves etc.
I don't know why people keep going back to the earplugs solution. It is common sense that while you may be rendered incapable of hearing Kilgrave's commands, you also wouldn't know what he's commanding those around you to do. And let's not forget that he very well could still control you through hand signals and get you back to listening to orders by merely miming removing your earplugs. -
haxemon — 9 years ago(June 14, 2016 05:30 PM)
It's a great example of people who refuse to think for more than 2 seconds about the show.
Yeah, it's an option someone should consider, but after a moment it becomes pretty clear there are some serious questions with that approach. Jessica herself warns Trish not to look at him even when she has the headphones on. That suggests to me that Jessica doesn't think their foolproof. Could Kilgrave command her to remove them with a simple gesture if she looked at him? Was Jessica really only talking about Trish not looking at him so he doesn't realize it's not Jessica? That's an odd way to phrase it if that's all it was about.
Anyway, sarcasm, earplugs, pretending you don't hear - love to see folks test these ideas out in a real life Kilgrave situation.
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dmcreif — 9 years ago(June 14, 2016 07:03 PM)
I'm one who's always believed that Kilgrave's powers do work even with physical gestures. Yeah, that's why the earphone thing would be worthless. The only reason Jessica was able to break free of Kilgrave's grasp and never be able to controlled by his powers again was the simple fact that her body had been exposed to Kilgrave for many more, and longer, periods of time than most victims. Enough for the body to build up immunity once she did break free.
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haxemon — 9 years ago(June 14, 2016 07:09 PM)
Yeah it's never shown on the show, but it seems Jessica at least thinks it is possible.
And really, nobody, not even Kilgrave or his father, know how his powers work.
As for Jessica, yes, her prolonged exposure combined with her powers probably account for her being able to break free. However I like the irony in the idea that somehow Kilgrave believing he loved her had something to do with it. i.e. in some way he wanted Jessica to chose him on her own so maybe somehow subconsciously he's setting her free. Though I freely admit there's nothing to substantiate it, just my own theory. In fact, not even a theory as much as a notion I find ironic and somehow a knife twist on Kilgrave.
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luthien_tinuviel86 — 9 years ago(June 15, 2016 06:42 AM)
Jessica wanted to get a confession out of Kilgrave to get the blonde girl out of prison- that's why she didn't kill him or even broke his jaw.
Ear-plugs (the normal ones you can buy in a drug-store) don't block sound completely and you can still understand what people are saying if they're talking loud enough.
Also, Jessica wasn't sure how his powers worked- maybe his power was in his voice, but it could've been something partially telepathic as well.
She also didn't want to seriously hurt his bodyguards because they were probably innocent, so she probably held her punches. The guys she beat up at the bar though- they chose to start a fight out of their own free will, so Jessica and Luke had no issues kicking their butts.
As for the bodyguards, it's not entirely impossible that they were in fact superhuman, because there is already a temporary super-strength serum in the show and we have no idea who created it and who else is using it.
The cars were not following them; they didn't have to, since Kilgrave had a tracker on him, so there was nothing to notice.
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dmcreif — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 05:12 AM)
Ear-plugs (the normal ones you can buy in a drug-store) don't block sound completely and you can still understand what people are saying if they're talking loud enough.
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Metatron_Fallen — 9 years ago(July 23, 2016 10:26 AM)
She thought they were being controlled by Kilgrave so she didn't want to seriously hurt them. She even says that to her male accomplice during the fight.
And this makes sense- you wouldn't just decapitate someone who is essentially innocent when they don't have control of what they're doing.
But she does react to pain and injury. And they keep tazing her- it seems to slow her down enough so that they can get multiple tazers on her.
Thor has always been a comic favorite of mine but I note that in the Thor movie with Natalie Portman, Thor was knocked unconscious by a tazer from Kat Dennings.
You're watching a super-hero television series and complaining about logic.
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dmcreif — 9 years ago(July 24, 2016 07:23 AM)
She thought they were being controlled by Kilgrave so she didn't want to seriously hurt them. She even says that to her male accomplice during the fight.
Yeah, I do agree that yeah, Jessica's own personal experiences with Kilgrave in the past would cloud her judgment and make the idea that Kilgrave would have failsafes in case his powers failed seem impossible. Hell, we even saw that with the family Jessica had to fight off after saving Simpson's life earlier in the show. -
Kris_AB — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 10:34 AM)
Thor has always been a comic favorite of mine but I note that in the Thor movie with Natalie Portman, Thor was knocked unconscious by a tazer from Kat Dennings.
At that point in the first Thor film, Thor's been stripped of his hammer and armour and, in theory, may have been sapped of some of his strength and durability as well. I don't remember Odin's exact wording, but he banished his son to Earth for a bit to live among them and learn humility, so the only way to really accomplish that would be to remove his god-like (compared to us humans' capabilities) strength. Thor still had about as much strength as a human of his size and fitness level, plus he still had who-knows-how-many-centuries-or-millenia of fighting experience and know-how and battle experience (we never do find out how old he is, do we?). But he wouldn't take a tazing as well as a gifted/a supersoldier like Jessica, in his reduced state.
Just my theory.
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haxemon — 9 years ago(October 14, 2016 09:11 AM)
Man I wish I had a nickel for every "should I keep watching" or "does it get better" thread.
Walk up to kilgrave witb qaulity earplugs, break his jaw. Its over
Try that and see what happens. What if he has bodyguards with him that he has hired? What if he has mind-controlled some gym rats to kill anyone that touches him? What if he manages to tell you to pull out your own eyes despite his broken jaw? What if he simply mimes the idea to you and you understand what he wants?
But to answer the spirit of your question: Not everyone loved this show. So you might not either. The only way to know for sure if you'll like it is to watch it. Or if you don't feel it's worth watching then don't.
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dmcreif — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 09:17 PM)
Some of the posters here really frustrate me because it's obvious they were only half paying attention when watching.
"Walk up to kilgrave witb qaulity earplugs, break his jaw. Its over, but whats the fun in that? And logic?"
Because that would be incredibly suicidal. For one thing, even if you were rendered unable to hear commands, you'd have no idea what the people around you were being commanded to do. There's also the fact that Kilgrave could simply bypass that by just shouting his commands at you, since most earplugs don't cancel out all noise.
If posters here had paid attention to the show or just used their brains a little bit, they wouldn't have these stupid complaints. This show is very well written and complex and they directly address the issues that people seem to have with it.