When you have some people complaining how Harley Quinn was too annoying
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chriso32394 — 9 years ago(December 11, 2016 06:27 PM)
then you know there are some people, not all obviously that are just finding reasons to hate this movie.
I don't particularly like it very much either, but i think its undeniable to say that Margot and Will were by far THE best parts of the film.
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Boni-The-Sock — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 09:04 PM)
I didn't find her annoying, but some of her lines were just plain horrendous, most of them when she tried to be funny, like
"I like her" (to Katana)
"Love your perfume. What is that, the stench of death?" (to Katana)
"We are baaad guys, that's what we DO!"
"I'm bored. Play with me!"
Some of those were writer's fault, others were Margot's uninspired acting.
I once told a man to go screw himself! Can you even imagine?! - Kilgrave -
TheBeardedWonder — 9 years ago(December 13, 2016 08:15 PM)
God some of the lines were just terrible. Not just hers either, every character had at least one groan inducing line throughout the movie. I chalk most of it up to the writing though, no actor no matter how talented can make dialogue like that interesting.
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aer71367-313-155069 — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 11:06 AM)
I didn't really find her annoying. She's insane. The dialogue, had it been written better, I don't think it would have come across as so forced. And the plot seemed like it was trying to be too many things simultaneously, so it made it confusing in some parts and kind of boring. All in all, not the best DC flick, but not the worst. DC has some fantastic characters, they just need to write better films to showcase them.
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ThisGuy4000 — 9 years ago(December 13, 2016 09:38 PM)
I never could stand Harley Quinn as a character. She was always just the outdated and blatantly misogynistic product of two perverted individuals who couldn't write a respectable female character to save their lives (Bruce Timm and Paul Dini).
That being said, even though I've never cared for Harley Quinn, I'd argue that anyone who tries to suggest that Harley was some fun and compelling character in the animated series, but took issue with her in this film, is most likely blinded by nostalgia. I'm sorry, but I don't know how else to put it. Outside of wearing an outfit that showed more skin (because her form-fitting jester outfit wasn't fetish fuel at all
), her character in this film was really no different from how it's always been. She had the obnoxious accent, the lame one-liners, and the baffling obsession with calling the Joker "Pud'n".
Harley Quinn has always been an obnoxious and one-dimensional fangirl of the Joker with an incredibly nonsensical backstory. You're telling me that a professional psychologist was actually dumb enough to fall for some blatantly obvious manipulation from the biggest psychopath in Gotham? The
Mad Love
comic made that a bit more understandable by establishing that she bribed her professors with sex to get as far as she did (some real modesty there), but even that doesn't make sense, since I'm pretty sure that's not how getting a PhD works. -
rosepetals334 — 9 years ago(December 16, 2016 11:58 AM)
ThisGuy4000, I see your point. However, I must be blinded by nostalgia because I prefer her animated series days over any other reincarnation they have turned harley into. I just see 'mad love' harley quinn as being more in tune with her true self, harleen & harley respectively. New 52 has butchered her to death so she doesn't even compare to the 'original' anymore, but i won't get into THAT. I respect your opinions though.
Honestly, I feel not enough is talked about
Harleen
and maybe that is the problem here. Harleen is her true persona before she got turned into being Harley Quinn for the Joker. I feel like if Harleen's childhoood and overall life before she was a psychiatrist/intern at Arkham/Blackgate/whatever would be more explored, that would help fill in some gaps as to why she sought a criminal psychology degree (besides her daddy issues), did she ever have any friends or boyfriends growing up, does she stay in contact with family, why she slept her way to get said degree (did she even try to study? is she just a bad test taker??) and how she almost too easily became obsessed with the Joker. Love and obsession are two different things, right? How long can an obsession last? Also, intelligence varies. One may not be book smart, but they can definitely make up for it by being smart in other ways, Harleen can be pretty cunning and street smart when she has to be. I would like her to have more depth though.
Let's assume she did sleep with her professors and never studied at all, that would explain why she never knew how to build up a wall, how to detect when someone is lying, being manipulative, if they are a sociopath, being a user etc. Those are traits the Joker has and more (that really gets me because in the episode Mad Love, Harleen even said she 'studied all his tricks and gimmicks and felt she was ready for anything'), and any true psychologist would know to not listen to him and take what he says to heart.
You are right though, that is not how getting a PhD works, but it works here because of comic book/tv logic. Also in real life it's no secret that sexual favors are exchanged between teachers and students for better grades, some schools stay more on top of things like that happening within their system than others. As cliche as it sounds, daddy issues does a lot to mess a woman up in life, and in the comics it suggest that harleen's father was never around, he was a con artist and always in prisonharleen being a daddy's girl, sought after a psychology degree to find out why her father did what he did to mess up the family.
A theory I came up with (maybe others have though the same thing) is, Harleen is an opportunist and a bit of a social climber. Maybe instead of obsessing and loving Joker for real, she just has everyone convinced she really is? Maybe she is in a way 'using' Joker himself to escape her normal boring routine life, to be part of one where she gets to have fun, to be free to play crazy and not be so serious. Maybe she is low-key analyzing and figuring him out to one-day write that tell-all book of hers? She is just doing it from a perspective and character that would allow her to get close to him, more close than a psychologist ever could.
I think the 'harley' part is shown too much, maybe that is why people like her? She
is
a wild card which means she is unpredictable and you can never figure her outknowing how to play mind games thanks to her degree (or what she learned by sleeping her way to her degree) packs a punch too. She is a psychopath, she is flawed and messed up and has done some dangerous things.but all because she doesn't want to be a normal psychologist anymore? She keeps it all under the surface though, she is very good at balancing all these different things that makes a woman desirable because she is versatile like that: she has an amazing personality, she is crazy (that is a sex appeal), she is a gymnast, she is smart/cunning, she is sneaky, she perseveres, loyal, she has a heart of gold, a sense of humor, she cares, she has this innocent thing going on but there is something more sexual/sinister underneath which makes her mysterious. Harleen is just human, harley is something more.
Take her or leave her, Ms. Quinn is a package deal.
The more personalities you have the less boring you are!