Binge Rewatching the Series - Barry Crying
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padre-brian — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 07:30 PM)
Im just saying its more noticeable than watching it on a weekly basis. It reminds me of Jennifer Garners character on Alias. She cried way too much too.
I get the trauma, but to me its like using profanity. Use it too much and it loses it power. Use it sparingly and it has more impact when you do use it. Barry's gone through a lot sure. But he's not the only one. And he tends to cry about the same thing over and over. Blaming himself for some scenario in which he failed, just to be brought out of it by Joe or someone else reminding him that its not his fault. Or always reminding people that his mother was murdered over and over when they already know this. Or every scene with his father. Its excessive.
When I first saw scenes like this I realized Gustin was actually a really good actor. Its the writing that bugs me. Its forced pathos using repetitive dialogue. It's lazy. And it makes me find Barry annoyingly whiny. I'm talking about Barry here mind you, not Gustin, that's an important distinction. -
laaana — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 07:54 PM)
1st sorry for the repost. I think the answer stems back to the very basis of what shaped him and how he was raised. Barry was a sensitive child who feels to blame for his mother's death and his father's imprisonment. I don't think it's meant to be a plot device I think it's meant to convey just how much he carries and it shows why he still cares so much about the injustices in the world and the people around him. i.e he's not closed off from his emotions.
On a personal level I never really get why ppl get upset about the writing because this is formulaic tv. They write self contained eps (new viewer friendly) for the most part with a story arc (for established viewers). The situations repeat. This is total popcorn tv at it's finest IMO. If viewers are looking for something more than pure escapism this show isn't it. -
laaana — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 01:06 PM)
More than giving into the part that is a selfish childI'd say he tried to heal overwhelming pain. That's not an act of selfishness so much as one of self preservation. Sometimes we have to put self 1st in order to move on forward emotionally. Barry is no longer that little boy who couldn't save his mommy. Barry is now the man who literally chose to let that part of himself (and him mom) go for the greater good. Barry is still a person. He is still working out his issues like all people do and growth isn't linear.
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harriscrl — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 07:24 PM)
I was actually dont think its childish either. How many times as adults have we said I wish I could go back and change something in my past. We all say this. The difference is Barry can actually do it. He didn't go back to the past so that he can relieve his glory years. He went back to stop the vilolent murder of his mother and subsequent wrongful imprisonment of his father. If ever there was a reason to go back to the past surely something like this would be it. The problem is Barry was warned about the consequence of doing this. Still I wouldn't say he's childish or selfish id say he is stubborn and hardheaded.
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laaana — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 11:42 PM)
Gonna have to disagree. I don't think he was stubborn or hardheaded. I'd say human. Barry was at a place where he was broken and in order to heal(given his abilities) he had to see for himself that he made the right choice when he had the opportunity before and let her die. I don't know of too many ppl who don't have to learn for themselves. Were he a mere mortal like us he'd still be in some ways shattered from griefhe has grown. From that experience he now has a whole new set of issues he will have to overcome BUT let's hope he has learned that particular lesson. If he repeats those actions even after realizing the consequences i'd call him stubborn and hard headed.
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harriscrl — 9 years ago(December 11, 2016 07:51 AM)
Ok I'll give you that. But I still think inspite of his pain Barry has to learn that he has to think through his decisions because they can have more of an impact. He has the responsibility. I'm not sure he is there yet or will ever get there. Take last week episode when he got a glimpse of the future and his first instinct is to go back and fix it. I'm not saying he shouldn't try to stop it from happening. But his first instinct is usually impulsive and its frequently wrong. And frankly it is not very becoming of a scientist. I wish Barry had said instead it could be trick, a hollogram an alternate universe etc. Weigh all these possibilities and investigate everyone of them. He has got 5 months. Furthermore don't trust Jay I'm not sure Jay isn't the one who betrayed him. The point is he needs to let his mind process it and use his mind instead of letting his emotions get in the way. He needs to be more methodical in his decisions and I get that its hard when your emotions are involved. This is where you learn from the past. This is why I say he's a bit stubborn I'm not comvinced he has learned.
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laaana — 9 years ago(December 11, 2016 08:43 AM)
Meh, Barry is a human. I expect people to behave like people and that behavior is imperfect. Barry is a man who has lost his mom and dad and had just watched the person he has loved his entire life murdered in the same fashionof course his 1st instinct was to go back, I'm actually stunned that he was too stunned to try to prevent it in the moment. That said, he didn't act on those instincts. IMO had he not been frantic and desperate but rational it would not have rung true to who he is as a character.
I too have been thinking Jay might be the person who betrays them as it seems Barry was propelled to the future after throwing the stone into the speed force, not sure it didn't expell the stone. Anywho, asking or expecting someone to be what they are not is only going to set you up for disappointment. Barry is an emotional guy who is surrounded by people with different strengths who will help him figure it out (no man is an islandor perfect). He always uses his mind utimately. The entire point is to see that process. I'm good with Barry being who he is. His basic instinct is to trust until given reason not to. His basic instinct is to protect those he lovesno matter the greater cost. If those things change he isn't Barry. -
harriscrl — 9 years ago(December 11, 2016 02:31 PM)
You don't have a very high opinion of human beings if you think they are incapable of learning from past mistakes. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting a different outcome. At some point the he's a human being explanation is not suffice. Barry is a trained scientist and what separates scientist from laypeople is that they don't rely exclusively on emotions. They look at all possible outcomes and they arrive at a conclusion by reading the situation throughly not by reacting impulsively. You make better decisions when you do this. Now sometimes time is a factor but not in this instance. He has 5 months that's more than enough time. So we shall see
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laaana — 9 years ago(December 11, 2016 06:19 PM)
Hmmmy entire argument is predicated on learning from past mistakes even though we are mostly destined to repeat some as growth isn't linear. I don't believe we change our basic natures and Barry is an emotional being. His reaction was in character, his calming after his 1st instinct was calmed was in character and he will move heaven and earth to change what he saw and that too is in character. That's what I call learning and growth.