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Chris Claremont bashes Fox for ruining X-Men

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    O-Face — 9 years ago(November 05, 2016 12:14 PM)

    Actually, Ant-Man was always going to star Scott Lang as the lead and Hank as the retired old hero. So even if the movie came out before Avengers Hank was never going to be apart of the team and thus likely not be the creator of Ultron. Since AOU was set-up for Civil War, similar to how Apocalypse was set-up for a Phoenix film.
    And honestly, Magneto was a better choice for the central horseman than Warren in this case. In the comic it was about Warren's fall into depression caused by years of anti-mutant hystisa, the lose of his fortune, and then his wings that caused him to lose faith in Xavier's dream. That is until he is brought back by his friendship with the original five. That is something that couldn't done properly in one movie as that would require Warren to have a developed friendship with the heroes and a series of misfortunes.
    Magneto had a developed friendship with the heroes and series of misfortunes. The holocaust, the military's attack on Mutants in Cuba, and losing his brotherhood made him the perfect replacement. All he needed was one final push to make him sink into depression and that was the form of his second family(which is lifted from the comics).

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      samhmd-7489 — 9 years ago(November 05, 2016 01:13 PM)

      And honestly, Magneto was a better choice for the central horseman than Warren in this case. In the comic it was about Warren's fall into depression caused by years of anti-mutant hystisa, the lose of his fortune, and then his wings that caused him to lose faith in Xavier's dream. That is until he is brought back by his friendship with the original five. That is something that couldn't done properly in one movie as that would require Warren to have a developed friendship with the heroes and a series of misfortunes.
      In other words, the films did a lousy job actually being about the X-Men.

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        O-Face — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 12:29 AM)

        Magneto is a member of the X-Men.

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          samhmd-7489 — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 01:49 AM)

          No, he's not. He's never been a real member.
          That's a BS excuse made by people who just don't care about the actual X-Men team because Singer did such a lame job making people care.

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            O-Face — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 11:08 AM)

            He has been a member.

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              samhmd-7489 — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 05:23 PM)

              Not in the same way that Cyclops or Storm has. Magneto's membership has always been a transient thing.

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                chrislwmn3 — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 04:41 PM)

                They could've done all that with Angel but they didn't plan correctly. Angel in apocalypse was a disappointment.
                This is coming from someone who loves DoFP and First Class more than all the comic book universe films other than Winter Soldier.

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                  O-Face — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 11:10 AM)

                  Oh and let's not forget how they replaced Janet Van Dyne, the second longest leaders of the Avengers with an obscure MC2.

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                    samhmd-7489 — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 05:26 PM)

                    No choice, Edgar Wright kept them from using her.

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                      O-Face — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 01:40 AM)

                      No choice? They alway planned on making Hank elderly so that Lang could have a love interest.

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                        samhmd-7489 — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 04:29 AM)

                        And if Edgar Wright hadn't moved at a Snail's pace they'd still have the characters for use.

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                          CaptainMitosis — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 01:15 PM)

                          Just because it was made so that audiences
                          who haven't read the comics can understand doesn't make it dumbed down it was
                          watered
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                          Other people have better stuff to do then just read comics. They have University,College,Jobs or reading novels.
                          You can't just call people dumb for not reading the comics that's like a surgeon calling an engineer stupid for having not studied medicine.

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                            SomeCBMFanboy — 9 years ago(November 04, 2016 05:57 PM)

                            I'm not gonna come down on you too hard on you Forbidden Arms, because I don't think you are trying to be a fanboy with some hidden agenda. I just think you are a fan who simply misunderstood where Mr. Claremont is coming from. This man is upset at how Disney-Marvel is treating it's X-men fans. Their biggest comic book property, the one that helped save them from bankruptcy and put them on the map in the industry. The corporate BS should not effect the comics but it ultimately is. Which is a shame.
                            People need to know the difference between Marvel Entertainment and Marvel Studios. Marvel Entertainment handles the comics, merchandise, and I think some of the distributing of the movies, where as Marvel Studios run by Kevin Feige simply produces the movies. Marvel Entertainment has a better relationship with Fox than Disney, but Disney is like that parent that doesn't want their daughter (Marvel) dating that grown ass man from down the block (FOX).
                            Recently they've decided to relaunch the X-men AND the Inhumans comics, both under the banner of RessurXtion. I think Fox and Marvel Entertainment came to some kind of agreement regarding the Fantastic Four movie rights, in order to allow Fox more freedom with the X-men property as a whole. That includes merchandise and TV productions, but we'll know soon enough.

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                              BanzaiTron — 9 years ago(November 05, 2016 06:15 AM)

                              Marvel Entertainment has a better relationship with Fox than Disney, but Disney is like that parent that doesn't want their daughter (Marvel) dating that grown ass man from down the block (FOX).
                              That's a good gist of it. Most likely Fiege will work with any studio given the chance. Heck, he was involved in the first X-Men film way before Disney bought Marvel. Its Disney obviously being anal about co-operating with others.
                              This will be the only comment or reply you'll get. Like I give a sh!t about YOUR interwebz opinion.

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                                samhmd-7489 — 9 years ago(November 05, 2016 06:22 AM)

                                It's more that FOX is unwilling to meet Disney partway, they want all or nothing while Disney is trying to be conciliatory.

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                                    politicidal — 9 years ago(November 05, 2016 11:09 AM)

                                    It begins
                                    What's missing in movies is same as in society: a good sense of work ethic and living up to ideals.

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