The character has always had a confusing power set in all mediums, from comics to cartoons to TV shows. More so than som
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OdumC — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 09:48 PM)
The drowning man doesn't "need" air, he just wants it then he dies.
Time to put the jr. College philosophy book away. Now you're just talking crazy
Oxygen, water, sustenance , all basic needs to support human life. There's no debate air is a need. Now cool conditioned air is a luxury and a "want", but basic oxygen to survive is an undebatable need.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 05:00 AM)
Oxygen, water, sustenance , all basic needs to support human life.
Nope, we could have gone extinct at any point. We don't "need" anything to support anything and we don't "need" to be alive.
If you want to support your continued survival then consequentially you want the means to do so. But we don't even "need" to be born in the first place.
The universe (molecules etc.) didn't "need" to come into existence in order for bananas to exist. That's just how we choose to think about it. "Need" is a fiction, a concept in our heads that has no counterpart in reality.
Now cool conditioned air is a luxury and a "want", but basic oxygen to survive is an undebatable need.
Nope. Surviving another minute is a luxury (depending on circumstances) and a want (depending on circumstances but usually present in organisms due to instinct).
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OdumC — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 05:14 AM)
Sorry kid, your dog eared jr college philosophy textbook has failed you.
Needs exist.
Does a car run without gas? no. it NEEDS fuel. you claiming that it's just a desire to have the engine run doesn't change the fact that it won't run without the fuel, hence it NEEDS it.
for a human to survive, they NEED oxygen. you claiming that humans don't have to survive doesn't change the fact that for a human to survive, they NEED oxygen.
I don't care what you picked up in your half a semester at the community college, you're wrong.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 05:33 AM)
Does a car run without gas? no.
Correct. EDIT: Although there are cars that run on other things but we'll let gas be symbolic for the sake of argument.
it NEEDS fuel.
Incorrect.
you claiming that it's just a desire to have the engine run doesn't change the fact that it won't run without the fuel, hence it NEEDS it.
Incorrect. An engine never "needs" to do anything, even exist.
for a human to survive, they NEED oxygen.
Incorrect. A human never "needs" anything, even molecules or existence. Organic life could have simply never come into existence.
you claiming that humans don't have to survive doesn't change the fact that for a human to survive, they NEED oxygen.
Incorrect. A human (in its current configuration) cannot survive without oxygen, that is true, but a human does not "need" anything in order to survive just like an engine does not "need" fuel in order to contain fuel, it contains fuel or it doesn't, a human survives or they don't.
If you want an engine to contain fuel you can't get what you want without fuel hence you consequentially want fuel. That is non-fictional. "Need" on the other hand is fictional.
The Moon can't orbit the Earth without gravity. But the Moon doesn't "need" gravity in order to orbit the Earth just like it doesn't "need" unicorns in order to be populated by unicorns, it just does orbit the Earth. If you want the Moon to keep orbiting the Earth then consequentially you want gravity to exist.
I don't care what you picked up in your half a semester at the community college, you're wrong.
I actually didn't pick this up, it just became clear to me one day over a decade ago after a lot of introspection.
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OdumC — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 06:03 AM)
it NEEDS fuel.
Incorrect.
Wrong, it NEEDS fuel if it is going to run. that is a factual reality. just like humans needing air to survive is also a factual reality.
It might be time for you to acknowledge this isn't the coffee house with your philosophy douchebags and if you're going to try conversing with other humans, understand no one is obligated to listen to your jr. college drivel claiming things like needs don't exist when it's factually proven they do.
as humans we have an understanding of reality that we can follow along with to make communication possible. if you can't understand that, then a suitable alternative would be next time you see comments that you can't converse with on a normal level, fck off. no one is impressed with you acting like a pretentious douche when it makes normal communication impossible because no one is baked enough to want to follow along with your tired pretentious tripe.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
matt_shade — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 06:36 AM)
Wrong, it NEEDS fuel if it is going to run. that is a factual reality.
No, that is human delusion. You want fuel if you want the engine to run.
just like humans needing air to survive is also a factual reality.
No, that is human delusion. We want air in order to survive. We never "need". Not before, during or after our lifetimes.
understand no one is obligated to listen to your jr. college drivel
I never claimed anyone was "obligated" to do anything. "Obligation" is as fictional as "duty" as far as I can tell.
as humans we have an understanding of reality that we can follow along with to make communication possible. if you can't understand that
I do understand that. But I also understand it does not make our perception of reality
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reality. Believing that "owning property" or "money" is real does not make it real, for example.
then a suitable alternative would be next time you see comments that you can't converse with on a normal level
"Normal" being self-deluded.
Also, I wasn't bringing any of this up until CichlidAsh asked me about my signature.
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DennisReynolds — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 06:48 AM)
I don't think they've been portrayed as THAT nebulous. She's strong, fast, durable, and she has access to magic weapons. But she's not indestructible.
Getting hit with a bullet is different than getting hit with a blunt object (like Doomsday's fists). A bullet is small enough that it can pierce her skin. And at that point, blood loss will kill her (assuming she doesn't get medical attention).
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RealModernMan — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 06:53 AM)
I think that's a strange comparison.
Doomsday's fist would liquify a normal person's body as soon as it impacted whereas a bullet has penetrated through people's skulls and in rare instances, they actually survive.
And considering the number of less-powerful superheroes/villains than Wonder Woman who would laugh at an onslaught of firepower, it still seems like an odd thing.
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DennisReynolds — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 07:08 AM)
Getting hit in the body with a knife is more deadly than getting hit in the body with a baseball bat. One has the ability to pierce the skin. And it doesn't matter what would happen to a regular person because Wonder Woman isn't a regular person. She has durable skin than can handle most hits from blunt objects, but it's not indestructible, and can therefore by pierced by smaller objects that hit her with enough force, like bullets and blades (from someone who can put enough force behind the strike).
This is standard comic book stuff. It's not that confusing.
Plus, it's important to note that most of her hits during the Doomsday fight were absorbed by her magic shield.
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brickfire — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 07:30 AM)
Keep in mind most amazons are not like wonder woman.
Most amazons are really in power level closer to spider-man to captain america level and could get killed by a bullet.
Wonder woman is a demigod and while a bullet could hurt or injury her,it will not kill her.