Villains created BECAUSE the Squad was made. Stupid!
-
dmcdknf — 9 years ago(August 26, 2016 07:08 PM)
Um, they were created because of the hypothesis that Superman could have been evil, not to fight him. The whole "what if Superman had attacked the president in the Whitehouse?" question was posed as a justification for creating a group to defend against potential future evil meta-humans.
-
RaiderJedi — 9 years ago(August 26, 2016 08:59 PM)
Yeah, that makes sense. Because a girl with a bat, a guy who shoots earth made weapons accurately, a guy with lizard skin who is a little bit stronger than regular humans, a guy with a boomerang and a guy that can shoot fire from his hands would stand a chance against Superman or Zod.
I got new boots. Black, steel toe. Very dark, mature boots. All other boots are kiddie -
dmcdknf — 9 years ago(October 24, 2016 05:57 PM)
You are right that they shouldn't stand a chance against Superman (or Zod), but then again Superman has some significant weaknesses and these guys would be crazy enough to try to take advantage of them. The point is that they are expendable and could stack up against other metas.
-
mddwbsst — 9 years ago(October 25, 2016 12:37 AM)
Um no they couldn't.
People don't seem to get the little detail they weren't supposed to stand up to Superman, or a Superman level threat.
Just Metahumans in general.
The point was Waller wanted them to have something to deal with future Metahumans. The squad was all the Metahumans that the government had imprisoned at the moment. So they were all they had to work with.
Superman was just being used as a point of reference, cause he was in this continuity the first publically known metahuman (heck technically he's an alien, but hey tomarto tomato). -
everythingangels — 9 years ago(October 26, 2016 09:43 PM)
That's pretty much the point the audience is supposed to buy that the government lets this team exist to defeat foes that the US military wouldn't have any hope of defeating and okays this project in some desperate attempt to avoid some calamity where they would have to deal with some Superman-level threat where everyone else would be useless. So enter Harley Quinn and the gang? So, so dumb.
It's easy enough to present this team as a group of ruffians being forced to do the dirty work that proper super heroes wouldn't want to do for the government but no, they're here to save us from a Superman-level threat and then go on to save the world. It was pretty terrible -
everythingangels — 9 years ago(October 26, 2016 04:23 AM)
The threat of Superman, or a superman-level threat, was how the project was sold to the government.
And let's be clear: the idea wasn't just for them to fight ANY random metahumans.
The whole premise wouldn't work otherwise because the project is being sold with the notion that this group could handle things the US military couldn't you know, like literal Superman.
The idea is even funnier to me, for what it's worth, because we assume most of these villains were caught by Batman, who's just a random schmuck with fancy toys and not a metahuman himself. -
mddwbsst — 9 years ago(October 26, 2016 06:36 AM)
The threat of Superman, or a superman-level threat, was how the project was sold to the government.
Nope. That's just how the conversation on how Metahumans could be dangerous was started. Afterwards it wasn't mentioned again. And it wasn't even Waller who mentioned it.
And let's be clear: the idea wasn't just for them to fight ANY random metahumans.
No it was to fight the ones who posed a risk to the government, and to also use them to do the governments dirty business.
The whole premise wouldn't work otherwise because the project is being sold with the notion that this group could handle things the US military couldn't you know, like literal Superman.
No its sold on them needing to get ahead of the metahuman problem before it becomes a crisis. That's what the discussion is about.
The idea is even funnier to me, for what it's worth, because we assume most of these villains were caught by Batman, who's just a random schmuck with fancy toys and not a metahuman himself.
You can assume it if you like. From what we know he caught two of them, one was caught by the Flash, the most powerful one just surrendered and we don't know how the other two were caught. -
everythingangels — 9 years ago(October 26, 2016 04:29 PM)
It was even in a freaking trailer:
That meeting is the creation of Suicide Squad. The government okays the release of these dangerous convicts by literally being sold that they would be needed in case of some Superman-level threat.
If in fact the premise of the team was to do undercover, shady stuff then why wouldn't that be presented for the reason for the team to exist?!?! Answer: because the audience is being told by creative that this team exists to combat the likes of Superman. THAT is what the movie decided to ridiculously try to communicate to its audience in the movie AND even the freaking movie trailer.
Yes, Waller may have ulterior motives but she's allowed to have this team because um, they're "needed" to fight "Superman." C'mon! That's just dumb.
(and the worst thing is that with all the terrible choices this film made, this wasn't even the worst - but, for me, I thought it encapsulated the "style over substance" of this film more than anything else - where it's a "cool idea" to present these villains in such a grandiose way but it falls flat if you actually care to think about it even a little bit) -
Sturm_Liouville — 9 years ago(August 25, 2016 11:37 PM)
are you an idiot? do you know anything about foreign affairs? blow back? this is what that movie is about.
terrorists were created BECAUSE we armed them to fight off another perceived threat. STUPID!
ring a fvcking bell?