Laurel???
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justahero — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 06:08 PM)
But what the hell?
In a time when there is so much pressure on making strong female characters (sometimes too much) and she comes across as the old school whiny damsel in distress + really annoying and stupid woman
making stupid decisions, and all of a sudden she stands there perfectly dressed up and knocking those fake Hoods down?
I meanwriters did really bad job with her and imo terrible actress added more bad into the mix
My brother said that it will get worse and that her sisteryeah he spoiled that for me :Dis better and likable -
iam_ami_whoami — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 06:25 PM)
This is a matter of opinion, really.
While you clearly can't stand the character and don't find her acting skills appealing, a lot of people (gasps) actually (gasps) LOVE Laurel and think Katie Cassidy is one of the best actors on the show! She even got awarded for her portrayal of Laurel during the second season and her fanbase seemed to increase during the third and fourth season!
I mean, I guess I'll have to agree she's a hit or miss, people usually either love her or hate her, but she'll keep growing as a character. I don't think you'll ever like her, seeing as you already hate how she can take down bad guys (and complains about her being a damsel in distress at the same time? - though if I recall correctly, the writers did seem confused about whether they wanted to portray her as a strong capable-of-taking-care-of-herself woman or merely a damsel during the first season), but you should probably try to sympathize more with her, if you think that could be possible, and hopefully (for your sake, if you're gonna be watching the next couple of seasons after the second) you'll start finding her more tolerable. -
justahero — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 06:43 PM)
. I don't think you'll ever like her, seeing as you already hate how she can take down bad guys (and complains about her being a damsel in distress at the same time? - though if I recall correctly, the writers did seem confused about whether they wanted to portray her as a strong capable-of-taking-care-of-herself woman or merely a damsel during the first season), but you should probably try to sympathise more with her, if you think that could be possible, and hopefully (for your sake, if you're gonna be watching the next couple of seasons after the second) you'll start finding her more tolerable.
No no nothis is my second try watching this show I really had to stop at my first attempt because I wanted to watch superhero shownot a cheesy teen dramanow I learned CW WANTS this stuff in their shows and now Im trying to be more laid back and I just laugh it off.
And as you said me complaining about her taking down bad guyswell when you have a character that only talks about her feelings and almost crying about how shes scared to love again and how she and she and she
you get the picturethis does not seem to me like a woman who can take care of herself its simple as thatthis does not sound like a strong personalityunless he has some kind of disorder
Maybe I will come to tolerate her in future or I will ignore her completely
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ZoneFighter — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 05:41 PM)
TV writers idea of a strong woman these days seems to be have her complain about the behavior of men, especially not telling her things she doesn't need to know, then have her behave the exact same way and refuse to acknowledge the hypocrisy of it.
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justahero — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 07:36 PM)
Laurel is even worse for me in moments when she is supposed to be : tired or stressed or workingshe always has a pretty dress, perfect hair and she is annoyed and overemotional
Her father: "You look so tired from all this working."
Laurel, who looks like she stepped out of dressing room (which she did :D)
Does she work for the police or the fashion police?
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aspiringwriter16 — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 06:21 PM)
I disagree. Laurel has had the most growth and was one of the most complex characters.
Put yourselves in Laurel's shoes, and you'd understand her anger toward Oliver and Sara. People forget that Oliver literally cheated on Laurel with her own sister, so she got backstabbed by two people she thought she loved, and on top of that, Oliver was the reason Sara was even on that boat.
So not only did Oliver cheat on Laurel with her sister, but he was also the indirect cause of her sister's death (at the time when she believe she had died). And then when it turns out that she is alive, they proceed to flaunt their relationship in Laurel's face and wanna pretend like everything's fine even though Laurel is clearly depressed about Tommy's death.
Laurel had felt like she could move on with Tommy, but then he dies and she believed The Green Arrow (or the Hood at the time) was the cause of it, as he was a rogue vigilante at the time.
For me, so many people criticize female characters for their "bad behavior", but give many male characters a pass (because Oliver's list of sins climb mountaintops). It's like the audience expects female characters to be perfect human beings like Felicity, and the most ironic thing is that when they are like that, they get hate for being a Mary Sue, which Felicity does. They can't win.
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justahero — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 06:37 PM)
Oh I understand the situation she was inthat was a nice start for her character
But honestly even though she learned that Oli obviously suffered after that and paid for his deeds in some wayshe is still attracted to him? I would not want to touch that man at allthats very unlikelythan she sleeps with him after "break-up" with HIS best friend?
Plus she treated her father like sh!t. Then she got HERSELF in trouble by staying in that building even though she should have just left minutes earlierso Tommy had to rescue her and he got himself killed and when she got out she wanted to go back in burning building
So cliche
In season 2 now where I amshe is incapable of having single conversation with Oliver even about Tommy without telling him that her and Oli had a past and blah blah blah
Character f Laurel talks only about feelingsher dialogue has two options:- emotions
- (forced) bad assery that is just not believable to me (the writing and delivery)
And now her hatred for Hood is so over exaggeratedshes not in uniform even shes always in a party dress with perfect hair setting up traps for Arrow in high hells surrounded by SWAT guysWTF?
Gimme a break
And honey stop crying sexismThe problem here is not that she has a vaginamy problem is bad writing and bad acting
Oli did pretty disgusting thing to her but you understand and feel his redemption
I hate people who cheat no matter what is in between their legs.
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aspiringwriter16 — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 07:50 PM)
Oli did pretty disgusting thing to her but you understand and feel his redemption
No, I don't. I don't at all actually.
I didn't pay it much thought at first, but he didn't really redeem himself. Didn't really do anything to redeem himself to Laurel.
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aspiringwriter16 — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 10:57 PM)
None of that has anything to do with what he did to Laurel.
It's like if a racist man murdered a black man, and then turned around and built a homeless shelter for orphans.
That doesn't change the fact that he did something terrible.
Doing one good doesn't erase the many bads that you did.
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justahero — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 11:48 AM)
I will not bother with you anymore really
It's like if a racist man murdered a black man, and then turned around and built a homeless shelter for orphans.
and this is one of the stupidest things Ive EVER read on the internet PERIODthanks to this sentence and genuinely think ur an ignorant and stupid person -
aspiringwriter16 — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 01:15 PM)
The analogy might have been to extreme, but my point was is that Oliver never really did anything for Laurel for him to redeem himself, but Laurel is the one who gets shat on because she dared to have emotions.
But whatever then.
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PoisonTurnip346 — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 07:01 PM)
-Cough- Barry -Cough- I dont see Barry getting nearly as much hate as he deserves, All he does is cry and whine and do mistake once twic and again and again, I am starting to really hate his character
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iam_ami_whoami — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 09:52 PM)
I know, right? I mean, I find The Flash to be more overly dramatic and in a more cheesy manner than Arrow. I could take Arrow seriously and really enjoyed Laurel's arc during the second season. There was some good drama on Arrow's third season as well, but honestly? I can't take any more of Barry crying and changing the timeline for selfish reasons and then having to listen to a pep talk in order to decide to do the right thing or fight or whatever. I don't know how one can complain of Arrow being full of drama but enjoying The Flash as it were drama free.
