1,200lb is 2.4% of 50,000lb u see that capt can't beat luke
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 10:53 PM)
Captain Americas strength is 2 percent of luke cage strength so, there is no way, luke would loose to captain america
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EmperorOfLatveria — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 12:07 AM)
Wow. Same argument I just posted to here:
http://www.imdb.com/board/13322314/board/nest/262031268?d=262269690#262268589
Since you seemed to just copy that from the last guy who pretty much just said that in the other thread about cap, as I am not taking that as a coincidence, I am just going to repost my reply to him here:
You said 12,000 in your last post, so if you meant 1200, specify better. While I could have challenged it for more official numbers, it was easier just to prove my point with the numbers you gave.
Now since I see you meant 1,200, let me show you a bit about the power levels:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-3482127
Unless you are talking about story driven shots where both have listed well beyond their listed capacity, luke cage is not 50k. He is about a 3ton lifter.
http://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/141134/3482127-marvel-heroes-lineup.jpg
And you also oversold captain America, from 1.2k to where it should be at 900.
Since 3tons = 6,000 lbs, vs 900 - yes, that is enough to make it a fair fight provided other factors.
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Keep it mind that these are without necessarily the most impressive versions of either of them. And none of them really show how different it is in the MCU.
Case in point? If cap can curl a helicopter to keep it from taking off, the one shown mind you, he must be at least 10x stronger than the most strong man on the planet. He threw a motorcycle in the movies to demolish another jeep (not just lifting it, but tossing it with enough force and velocity to actually destroy another vehicle over distance. That is many times more powerful than just lifting it barely). Casually lifting a motorcycle with 3 people on it in CA: FA (funny photo of this one, so here it is:
http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/35000000/Star-Spangled-Man-the-first-avenger-captain-america-35059059-1280-528.jpg
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While I prefer to keep this to the comics, and I will, I just wanted to point out about the MCU movie/show universe as well, and they often have differences. And in the movies, plus what I have here really, Cap is shown not to be 'peak level' but, whatever is really beyond peak human. Time and time again. Estimated at 3k pounds just for the helicopter one alone. What is LCs greatest MCU feat of strength? Not the ones Cap has done, that is for sure.
Going back to the comics, just to finally prove to you that Cap can more than do enough damage to someone like Luke Cage, and actually win, are you aware that he has done so, if not more to many people people stronger/tougher than Luke cage? Here is one such example:
With this shield, as we all know is stronger than Cage's skin, he also has the strength to drive it through things even harder than Luke's skin as well:
Here we see evidence of Cap using the strength to use his shield smart enough to cut one of Ultron's arms off Adamantium arms Wolverine toughness arms Something well beyond the skin of Luke Cage.
http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/raykongs/media/CapbreaksUltron_zpsb6ff0f1e.jpg.html
Heck, even in the movie we see him take on Spiderman. Who in a great deal of versions is stronger and faster than Luke Cage (still trying to ignore the fact that the MCU has unique versions and ideas for each one of these, and it could all be false anyway).
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 05:45 AM)
LIKE I SAID, IN THE OTHER THREAD THERE IS POWER CREEPS. HERE'S THE DEFINITION
A character who is designed in their own universe basically needs to be written to be effective against other characters featured in that universe. Generally, your main conflict won't be an eternal war between Super Jesus and his nemesis Bob.
However, a problem occurs once you try a crossover. If the crossover involves characters who were never created to work together and have an obvious difference in scope or power, you're stuck at trying to make sure each is effective. This usually involves two scenarios where you either nerf the powerful character or boost the "weaker" one, because you get the inevitable "Why are they even useful in this situation?" Occasionally this fiddling with power levels sticks, and you essentially have a pseudo-Alternate Universe character. Sometimes characters will even get new powers just for balance, but once they go back to their own books these enhanced powers are quickly forgotten.
If this happens often enough, it can create an inflation in Power Levels across the entire fictional universe, and can sometimes push characters into the B- or C-list, as they simply can't compete anymore
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Strength_Scale
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TheMountainThatRides23 — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 07:47 AM)
So your argument is, we shouldn't really consider Captain America's most impressive movie feats. Because it's not really meant to be that way. Even though he consistently shows that strength movie to movie, it shouldn't come into consideration at all.
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 02:17 PM)
So your argument is, we shouldn't really consider Captain America's most impressive movie feats. Because it's not really meant to be that way. Even though he consistently shows that strength movie to movie, it shouldn't come into consideration at all.
it call bad writing. luke cage as it too
a rocket hit luke cage at ground zero yet it just knocked him out, but a shotgun to the face almost kill him.
my point is, when the characters start doing all kind of crazy thing, its best to remember the rules that are set, else the entire thing becomes campy and a joke. That's why its hard to keep a series going, because they want to increase stakes and to do, that, they usually make the character do ridiculous stufff, which is ok to a degree but if, you're trying to put the character against each other, then you need to establish rules and laws so you go by what as been establish by the lore, cause that's the only way you can put together a fight. else, anybody can be anybody,cause the longer these shows and movies go on, the more powerful each character become.
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rayonmullings — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 05:48 AM)
CAPTAIN AMERICA ABILITIES
Powers
The Super-Soldier Serum (SSS) metabolized and permanently enhanced all of Rogers' bodily functions to beyond the peak of human potential. Dr. Reinstein described this potential as being "the next step in human evolution," while still remaining completely human but often called the "Perfect Man." The secret of the SSS formula was lost upon Dr. Erskine's death.[118] Nick Fury's intel classified him as power level 8.[119]
Artificially Enhanced Physiology:
Rogers has no superhuman powers
, although as a result of the Super-Soldier Serum, he was transformed from a frail young man into a "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Rogers is as intelligent, strong, fast, agile, and durable as possible for a human being to be without being considered superhuman. The SSS is definite, even if he chose to live an unhealthy lifestyle, none of his abilities would weaken.[citation needed]
Enhanced Strength: Rogers' physical strength is enhanced to the very peak of human potential. Captain America had been seen bench pressing 544 kg/1,200 lbs on each side of the bar, which is consistent with his strength level, as benching is easier than military press lifting.[citation needed] This strength also extends to his legs, enabling him to leap 6m/20ft out in a single bound and 10ft/3m into the air without a running start. He can snap steel handcuffs and chains, and is capable of breaking through wooden walls and steel doors with a single kick.[citation needed]
Enhanced Speed: Rogers can move at speeds faster than even the finest human athlete. He can run at speeds of up to a mile in a minute (60 mph).[citation needed]
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Retrono — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 06:12 AM)
That info is kind of irrelevant. As fishman61 has shown you, Cap is obviously stronger in MCU than he is comics. Also, Luke is weaker and not as tough as he is in the comics. Since, Luke was knocked out by a shot gun blast to his face, the force behind Cap's punches or kicks should be more than enough to do the same.
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TheFatDruidofNacyl — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 09:45 AM)
There is two comics that show Spider-Man taking on someone that was a former Harold of Galactus and he won. It isn't the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. Doesn't matter who is stronger.
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