Arrow returns at a series low (prelim ratings)
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Amanda006 — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 11:36 AM)
Still doesn't make sense. And yeah, Olicity might not be together, but to skip episodes just because it was not advertised as OTA or Olicity heavy it's a little bit extreme, don't you think? Are you going to tell me that Oliciters will only come back this season in episodes 4 and 5 and they don't care about everything else? The characters are still there in the rest of the episodes. Felicity and Diggle will be there. There might be OTA in the rest of the episodes, but because they don't show them in the promo people are not going to watch? That's silly.
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dcfan1 — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 11:48 AM)
How about Arrow season 2 rating it was not that strong overallI mean it got a 0.9 ins season 2 premiereI don't know why the trash for 0.7 as it only 0.2 difference guess the haters want something to trash about.
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kullagulla-84456 — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 01:11 AM)
You see? I don't get that. There is no Olicity, there is no Diggle for now at least, but are you trying to tell me that fans of Olicity and OTA will not watch the show until they come back? Why? There is still Felicity, which I assume they like and there is Oliver and from the various pictures we know that Diggle will be back. But because at the moment the team of tree and the couple are not together, fans of Olicity will refuse to watch the show to support the characters individually?
Still doesn't make sense. And yeah, Olicity might not be together, but to skip episodes just because it was not advertised as OTA or Olicity heavy it's a little bit extreme, don't you think? Are you going to tell me that Oliciters will only come back this season in episodes 4 and 5 and they don't care about everything else? The characters are still there in the rest of the episodes. Felicity and Diggle will be there. There might be OTA in the rest of the episodes, but because they don't show them in the promo people are not going to watch? That's silly.
@Amanda, I admire your efforts, but after nearly fours years on this board, I've learned that @josuerios is immune to logical reasoning (and your arguments are very convincing!). As usual @josuerios is just parrotting the sentiments and arguments of his hardcore shipper friends, who think that the audience at large is as invested in a fictional ship and a fan-created "Original Team" as they are, and that the slump in ratings is therefore due to the lack of promotion of Olicity/OTA. They seem to think that if the pre-season promos had been all about Olicity/OTA (e.g. "Uncle Guggie" tweeting fake Olicity travel pics with himself photobombing, as he did last hiatus!) or if the S5 premiere had been full of the shlock we got in the S4 premiere ("you have failed this omelet"! etc), the audience at large would have been ecstatic and the ratings great.
That's something which I personally find highly unlikely, since most casual viewers don't follow online promotion anyway. The main reason why the ratings are low is probably because many casual viewers lost interest after the dismal fourth season. There are so many good superhero shows right now, so those who like this type of genre shows have an embarrassment of riches to choose from.
I also find it odd that Felicity only seems to have a worth as long as she is involved in a romantic relationship with Oliver. If her fans really appreciated her as an independent character, they wouldn't threaten to stop watching just because of lack of Olicity. Felicity is still a main character, and according to producers she will be getting several meaty storylines this season (aftermath of Havenrock etc.). If they appreciate, admire and adore Felicity's character as much as they seem to do, I don't understand they can't enjoy watching her and her character development, even if it won't be immediately tied to her romantic/love relationship with Oliver. Furthermore, we're only on the FIRST episode, and these Olicity fans already seem to predict that Olicity is sabotaged for the rest of the season.when anyone with some experience from CW shows know that the main couple will have "moments" and even get together again around the May sweeps. I mean, nobody with some TV tropes savvy really believes that Oliver and Felicity are over, do they? TBH, to me the fans who are throwing temper tantrums all over social media right now seem like spoiled kids who are not getting exactly what they want, WHEN they want it.
Some Felicity fans love to call other fans "sexistic" and "misogynistic" when they criticize their fave, but to me it's equally sexistic and old-fashioned to tie a female character's worth and interest to her romantic involvement with the protagonist. I mean, if Olicity fans REALLY appreciated Felicity as a character they would watch for HER sake, regardless of who she is involved with. The same thing goes for Oliver, actually. He only seems interesting to them as Felicity's boyfriendbecause if they were really interested in Oliver's hero journey, they wouldn't be spamming the producers' timelines threatening to stop watching if they don't get Olicity/OTA. especially not after this season opener, which showed a considerable improvement over last season's shoddy writing. -
Darrylmurphy — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 01:55 AM)
I find it amusing some will try to use the dip as proof of what a draw Olicity is, when if anything shows how small that fanbase is, and that's if you assume all those who tuned in last year but not now did so due to no Olicity, it's a sizeable chunk of last seasons fanbase but it's not the majority, so it's more of a sign not to pander to them as they don't make up the bulk of the audience.
Though I don't think Olicity is a factor alive or dead, the problem is the writing or the perception of the writing, S4 left a bad taste in most of our mouths, saw steep decline in the audience by the end and a near universally panned finale, that's what is hurting the show, the cure is simple improve the quality for a stretch and people will want to watch again.
But people will always try to tilt the raw data into a narrative of their preference regardless, same data means two separate things to two different groups, also you know the show had some heavy competition by all accounts. -
kullagulla-84456 — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 02:10 AM)
I find it amusing some will try to use the dip as proof of what a draw Olicity is, when if anything shows how small that fanbase is, and that's if you assume all those who tuned in last year but not now did so due to no Olicity, it's a sizeable chunk of last seasons fanbase but it's not the majority, so it's more of a sign not to pander to them as they don't make up the bulk of the audience.
They keep comparing the season four premiere with the current one, claiming that "Arrow" lost 800.000 viewers this season due to lack of Olicity/OTA promos and the fact that Oliver and Felicity aren't together, or because #OTA doesn't reign supreme in the Lair. However, they're forgetting that season four was bleeding viewers throughout the last part of the season, and that the finale (which usually gets good ratings) had only 2.2. million viewers and a 0.8 demo. So, "Arrow" lost only approx. 300.000 viewers since 4X23, and it's highly unlikely that ALL of these viewers are Olicity fans who regard Felicity/Olicity/OTA as the show's main attraction.
In fact, I'd say that the shipper fans are the most steadfast fans, because they're very attached to a couple, and will endure even bad writing as long as their couple stays together and their romance develops. More casual fans, who are not invested in a certain character/ship will just drop a show when it gets bad. Hence, it's not the online shipper fans who have left the show, but the more casual fans who simply don't find "Arrow" good enough to continue watching. Besides, all network shows have lost viewers over the hiatus, so it might just be a general trend. -
GeekyBriggs — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 04:40 PM)
Only one show actually returned UP last night, so to presume that it's because a majority of fans decided not to watch is a fallacy.
"Never wrestle with a pig. You get filthy and besides, the pig likes it." Cyrus Ching -
Senor_Frickin_Braggis — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 10:12 AM)
Supergirl was getting it's ass kicked on CBS. That's why the network downgraded it to CW, its little sister network, after flirting with the idea of straight up canceling it. If Arrow and The Flash, two of the biggest shows on CW, are suffering in the ratings with their season premieres, don't hold your breath for Supergirl. Especially on the very competitive Monday night timeslot.
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niks_foonts — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 10:33 AM)
The Flash is not 'suffering'. Being 0.1 down from season to season is a pretty strong hold in the current tv landscape. Dropping 0.4 point on the other hand is not good. However, I think it will be adjusted up because I believe it was preempted in certain areas due to hurricane coverage.
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BBloomcamera — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 05:36 PM)
""It should be noted one of the CW's strongest station(WGN in Chicago) dropped the network, wonder how much that factors into lesser ratings""
Yes, this has been an issue in Chicago. I remember WGN bumped the Season 3
finale
of Arrow to Sunday due to the Cubs playing that year. Then, Arrow was bumped again for episode 22 in Season 4. (very low ratings on that episode too according to wikipedia)
I am happy now that CW is independent from WGN. However, it was NOT well advertised that the CW was moved to UPN/channel 50 in Chicago. I found out the night of the FLASH premiere, which I normally do not even watch.
I am glad that Arrow is now in syndication on TNT. Honestly, I feel like this show is not promoted enough. But, I do hope ratings improve. It looks like a good season.