His name is mentioned in
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Norrin_Radd_Of_Zenn_La — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 02:17 PM)
Why is it a continuity error? MLK was mentioned and he's been dead for decades! Obama was mentioned as both source of pride and derision by characters within the series. He was never mentioned as the current president.
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CaptainAmerica1 — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 02:45 PM)
Don't know why MLK was brought up unless you're trying to set me up to accuse me of being racist but besides becoming the first blackpresident why would Obama be looked at as a source of pride? He wasn't the first black senator or anything else and many people didn't even know who he was prior to running for president. Now him being the first black president is something that would cause his name to be brought up in this show. That's as far as I'm going into that. No arguments from me going forward
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Norrin_Radd_Of_Zenn_La — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 03:16 PM)
Don't know why MLK was brought up unless you're trying to set me up to accuse me of being racist
MLK was brought up because he is a source of pride within the black community. Ali, Jordan, Mandela, Roundtree,
Pat Riley
and
Al Pacino
are all mentioned as having respect within the barber shop of Pops. No one is dropping 'bait' but you sure are wearing a large amount of guilt based around ignorance which would be my assessment of your response.
why would Obama be looked at as a source of pride? He wasn't the first black senator or anything else and many people didn't even know who he was prior to running for president.
Drax the Destroyer from GOTG states the following:,
"Nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast. I would catch it."
This is what you are falling back on? Harlem like most communities, rightly or wrongly will celebrate almost any person of color for accomplishments based on that communities own criteria AND that doesn't have to pass a litmus test by those outside of that community.
Just as there were people within the many neighborhoods and Burroughs of Italian communities that celebrated Don's for their own non-explainable criteria.
Barack Obama's presence within the MCU is never detailed as him being the President even though his press secretary was shown in one film clip, I believe Iron Man?
But you're challenging why he would be a source of pride to a certain community, in a make believe world (the MCU)?
Now him being the first black president is something that would cause his name to be brought up in this show. That's as far as I'm going into that. No arguments from me going forward.
Barack Obama was elected as president in 2008. Matthew Ellis appears to be the president of the MCU United States at least since 2012. Pat Riley last coached the Knicks in 1995. Pat's not the coach or the president of the Knicks in 2016. Barack Obama isn't the President of the MCU United States in 2016.
Where is the continuity error or MCU reality disconnect?
It's not that hard. Just go with it.
but besides becoming the first black president why would Obama be looked at as a source of pride?
This is SUCH a loaded question and I hope is just rhetorical but I know it is not. The man won a Nobel Peace prize but I think I already know that you will say that it was undeserved. I'd like to be wrong and allow you the moral high ground on that.
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CaptainAmerica1 — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 04:26 PM)
Well I said I wouldn't argue but the arrogance of your post has changed my mind. I'll respond to your segments of text in order.
- I never stated MLK was a continuity error or anybody was a continuity order because they didn't currently hold the position they once had. The MLK part came out of left field and you didn't reference anybody else until just now.
- Clinton beat Obama 261-136 in the primary election in Harlem in 08' so clearly he wasn't that big of a deal then to the people of Harlem.
- Again Obama would not have been mentioned if not for him being President. Pat Riley was a Knicks coach in real life and nothing in this universe contradicts that so obviously that is not a continuity error.
- I supported Obama in 08' and 12' so I'm not sure where your accusation of me saying he didn't deserve his Nobel Peace Prize. He did however get that peace prize in 09' while sitting in the presidency for his efforts in global diplomacy, something he wouldn't have done as a senator but would as President of the United States. So again, if not for him being President why would he be mentioned in this show over any other black leaders, specifically ones from New York or Harlem like Charles B Rangel who was born in Harlem.
Please don't seem so arrogant or defensive. A single continuity error doesn't change how much I enjoyed the show or the fact that I love the MCU. I don't see your motivation in your post other than to be accusitory.
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Norrin_Radd_Of_Zenn_La — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 12:08 PM)
I thought I laid out my opinion pretty well and I noticed that the show speaks to many people that are admired regardless of the current time of 2016. MLK being one of them. Nothing more. Nothing less. Many African-American families have commemorative plates in their homes with MLK, JFK, RFK etc. I responded to your baiting comment because it was quite out of left field as to why you brought it up.
The fact that Clinton bested Obama 261-136 in the primary in Harlem in 2008 says two things. Clinton won but more than 1/3 of Harlem voters DID vote for him. By the time of the general election I guess that number would have been higher. For the time of 2009, 2010, 2011 and finally 2012 after winning a Nobel Peace prize apparently that pride and reverence would have been off the charts such that he would be mentioned fondly in a Netflix series.
My only point was and still is that Obama would be mentioned on the show and need not be the current president in order to be mentioned. Just like Pat Riley is thought of fondly and is no longer near the Knicks. That's it.
I supported Obama in 08' and 12' so I'm not sure where your accusation of me saying he didn't deserve his Nobel Peace Prize.
It is the recognition of Obama's winning in 2009 that you apparently might have been dismissing as one reason as to why the people of Harlem might hold him in esteem. Obama did not have to be President in 2015/16 in order to have been mentioned on the show.
He did however get that peace prize in 09' while sitting in the presidency for his efforts in global diplomacy, something he wouldn't have done as a senator but would as President of the United States.
See that is pretty straight-forward. I also said that I am glad to be proven wrong. Because, non-arrogantly, I am right that there is indeed a reason that Barack Obama can be held in admiration, recognized and mentioned on the show and NOT be the current president.
So again, if not for him being President why would he be mentioned in this show over any other black leaders, specifically ones from New York or Harlem like Charles B Rangel who was born in Harlem.
Again within the MCU Barack Obama
was
the president from 2008-2012 and Matthew Ellis
is
the President from 2012 to current. Barack being president from 2008-2012 would still put him in higher esteem than Charlie Rangle because Barack WAS a president but he doesn't have to be a sitting president.
Riley was Knick but is not a current Knick.
The fact that Barack lost the primary to Clinton but won the general election by almost unanimous support from the people of Harlem should suggest something and count for something to the people of Harlem. Shouldn't it?
Please don't seem so arrogant or defensive.
I can't help you with your interpretation of reading arrogancy in what I typed if it is based on information that I know that you too could also know. Additionally, I ain't no where nears being defensive in anything. The two wouldn't go together anyway.
A single continuity error doesn't change how much I enjoyed the show or the fact that I love the MCU.
If you go back and read another posting of mine I provided a reason, a reason why this MIGHT not be the continuity error that you are hanging your hat on. I attempted to even stay on point with my reasonings as such but it was you who veered off into silly territory that I was potentially baiting you.
I don't see your motivation in your post other than to be accusatory.
See, if you hadn't suggested baiting and stayed on topic you wouldn't feel the need to be defensive. If you hadn't been so dismissive of why a community might revere an out-of-state Black Senator this conversation wouldn't be happening. here is your quote:
besides becoming the first black president why would Obama be looked at as a source of pride? He wasn't the first black senator or anything else and many people didn't even know who he was prior to running for president. Now him being the first black president is something that would cause his name to be brought up in this show. That's as far as I'm going into that.
You don't see why this is dismissive and or just what you are implying?
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The_Real_Celsus — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 01:18 PM)
I think the error is a Marvel one. How in the world could a series like Luke Cage, as steeped in history ignore Obama? It was the fact that they did not mention him in all of the other movies that is the error. He is the first f-ing black president. Noble peace prize is a stupid thing, I think they should have waited to award it if they didbut he has sure been droning the heck out certain areas.
I think you missed the MLK point, why would they have a MLK mentioned int he show or or Malcom X, or any other historical figure in Cage at all? The other poster mention MLK, I would also add to that Public Enemy, and all of the rest call outs and one-liners. Mentioning Obama is not a plot hole, but a chip in the equality facade that the earlier Marvel Movies put out. -
The_Real_Celsus — 9 years ago(October 09, 2016 02:26 PM)
Lol, then there is no issue I guess. I thought I had seen him mentioned but I could only recall that other president they had and I wasn't the biggest Ironman movie fanSo I did not pay the closest attention. I did like Civil war excluding Ironman's little hissy-fit at the end with Cap's BFF. I cracked up HISHE's youtube take on that scene.