what point was there of eletric shocking harley?
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movibiju — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 01:09 PM)
I will respond to your question and much more.
The problem is that in the film we don't know why the Joker does what he does. The scenes were so decontextualized that we don't know the reasons that lead him to do what he does.
In the book is explained, but not in the movie. Before reading the book, I thought that the Joker used electric shocks in Harley to damage her brain in order to make her crazy like him, but in the book, he tortured her like that as a form of revenge because she used to do the same to him in order to treat him from his madness. This should have been explained but it wasn't and that's why everything that this Joker does seem so out of character and out of context.
In the book, he really shows how disposable she is for him when he says: Lets go swimming, Harley. You do swim don't you?
she says "Nope" and he answered "Well, that sucks for you then" and starts to laugh
In the helicopter scene, they have a brief discussion and he grabs her by her wrist and says: c'mmon get inside" he orders "what the hell are you waiting for? We got murdering to do".
So, in here we understand why he is having all this work to saving her. He needs her for his murdering plots. That makes sense! This is who the Joker is.
What he really wants is to commit even more hideous acts and make a show of it and he needs her because she is his most loyal sidekick.
In the book, there were no more abusive scenes but there was a lot more tension between the two characters which was not showed in the film. -
DennisReynolds — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 01:46 PM)
The idea is that Joker USED Harley to break out of Arkham, but came to "love" her over time. You have to look at the chronology of their scenes. He uses her to break out. Then he makes her jump in the chemicals for him. When she does, he walks away as if he just tricked her into killing herself. But then he decided to jump in after her. When she wakes up and smiles at him, he kisses her. And that's how they "fell in love." He admires her devotion to him.
It looks like we're getting more of the connective tissue in the extended cut (at least one big scene for sure).
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