One of the Most Poetically Beautiful Looking & Sounding Movies Ever
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MydnightRose — 9 years ago(September 11, 2016 08:36 AM)
Thankfully I already have most of the haters on ignore so I can enjoy this thread. I agree completely with the consensus about how beautiful this film is. From beginning to end there are so many great shots that look like a canvas. The ones that stand out for me are Superman regenerating in Space And Lois holding him after he died.
A part from that I feel the Superman saving people montage intertwined with the commentary on him was so beautifully done and expressed perfectly the divide about Superman.
Zack just does not get credit for so much he did right in this film. I saw so much growth from him as a director and story teller.- BVS 2. TWS 3. Avenger
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OdumC — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 03:55 PM)
This guy must be trolling.
How many times have we seen a shot from inside a closed or a cabinet of some sort?
That was the whole point. they pretend that a PoV shot from inside a locker is some kind of groundbreaking brilliance when it's pretty much done in every scene that someone opens up a cabinet/locker.
If that's a fresh innovative shot to them, they need to see more films.
fierce chemistry between Lois and Clark
Agreed. Teri Hatcher and Dean Cain just made it work.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
OdumC — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 04:23 PM)
That scene with Superman pulling the ship stranded in ice was gobsmackingly beautiful. I was just in awe of that scene and can't believe everyone isn't as impressed,
I'm obviously just not as easily impressed as you are. because the first thing that came to mind was "Why isn't he towing it while flying and using heat vision to melt a path for the ship as he goes?"
Just so he can look "pained" and have another Jesus allegory for shouldering his burden? damn and I thought Clark parked in front of stained glass in MoS was blatant. it's a shame Snyder doesn't know subtlety, Just the kind of brute force delivered with a sledgehammer because that makes for some really trashy filmmaking only admired by like minded douchebags who think such on the nose tactics that would get a film school student flunked are "deep"Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
OdumC — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 09:13 PM)
Pointing out she knows about as much about cinema as a dalmatian knows about neurosurgery isn't stalking. it's responding to someone saying stupid sh!t.
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OdumC — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 09:30 PM)
That's why I was responding ABOUT her, not TO herone more pretentious wanna be film snob who knows nothing about the subject not replying to me isn't a bad thing.
To anyone whose seen more than 5 live action movies, this one is about as deep as a teaspoon.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
TheAstor — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 03:16 AM)
Yeah it's the best looking comic book movie to date.
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cygnus_x-1 — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 06:23 AM)
Just watched it for the first time last night. I don't know if I was influenced by the poor reviews it got, but I was pleasantly surprised. It turned out to be a great movie. I was even able to get past Ben Affleck as Batman. I don't know how anyone can say there was no story to it. The story is what made it great - especially the nods to TDKR. Compared to Avengers Age of Ultron this was a masterpiece of storytelling.
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keekosdoctor — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 06:35 AM)
Wait, how do nods to outside material make for good storytelling in and of themselves?
Personally I think Age of Ultron blows this film out of the water in terms of coherent storytelling. Not that the sequence of events in either film is all that difficult to follow, but BvS' biggest problem fr where I'm standing is that each one of its grand ideas is compromised by their presentation. Nothing that Batman v Superman is trying to say actually ends up being said by the piece.
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keekosdoctor — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 06:40 AM)
I don't do those. Nor do I see how it's relevant.
If you'd like to dispute my argument that Age of Ultron carries through on its themes and character arcs in a way far more solid and sensical than BvS, you're welcome to.
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JediJones — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 12:22 PM)
Age of Ultron is one of the absolute worst Marvel movies, especially in terms of the story and characters. Just look at the Hulk/Iron Man fight. It happens because Hulk gets possessed. What a deep story that is! It's out of a Saturday morning cartoon. BVS did their conflict based on true, realistic, psychological factors. Then you have that horrible romance between Black Widow and Banner, totally unconvincing compared to the fiery chemistry Adams and Cavill have together. You have the death of Quicksilver, which comes across as emotionally hollow compared to the gut-wrenching death of Superman. Eisenberg also creates a much more tense and terrifying villain the cartoonish Ultron. Age of Ultron throws empty action scenes at us with no characters we care about at stake, while BVS delivers suspenseful scenes with Lois, Martha, Batman and Superman all fighting for their lives. Then there's Olsen doing a comically bad Balki from Perfect Strangers accent. The fundamental flaw in the movie is that Tony Stark creates Ultron and then kind of goes "oops" and it's forgotten about. In BVS, Batman makes a mistake and truly shows guilt and atones for it. Age of Ultron is wafer thin storytelling, while BVS is swimming in emotional and thematic depth. BVS' visual style is also much more compelling, while Age of Ultron looks flat and washed out.
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keekosdoctor — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 02:06 PM)
Just look at the Hulk/Iron Man fight. It happens because Hulk gets possessed. What a deep story that is!
The depth of the Hulkbuster fight doesn't come from how it
starts
, but from what it means to the characters, most importantly that it reaffirms for Bruce why he sees himself as a monster, and why he has no safe place on the team. Even with Natasha having developed the lullaby, even on a mission where Buce wasn't needed in the field, something still went wrong and Bruce still ended up hurting people. It brings to the forefront an idea that, for Bruce, has always been there; there's no circumstance where having him around is truly safe and he will always be a monster no matter how much he tempers the hulk, because outside factors that can override his control will always be there.
BVS did their conflict based on true, realistic, psychological factors.
Bruce Wayne is a psychotic drunkard who's reasoning makes no sense and whose "character arc" makes him look both shallow and stupid. Lex Luthor has a god complex and daddy issues, which are serviceable enough reasons to want Superman dead, but nearly enough to justify him using the convoluted methods he does. Clark Kent is the most fully realized of the three characters but the conflict only occurs the way it does because he too is an idiot who never attempts to save his own mom even though he's more than capable.
Then you have that horrible romance between Black Widow and Banner, totally unconvincing compared to the fiery chemistry Adams and Cavill have together.
I disagree. I think both couples have sweet moments together, and actor chemistry is beyond debatable, but Lois and Clark's relationship has a lot of frightening implications (where Ckark literally seems to value her over the entire world) and Lous herself has one scene in the entire movie that really needs her to be there for the sake of the themes.
You have the death of Quicksilver, which comes across as emotionally hollow compared to the gut-wrenching death of Superman
I disagree. This is slightly less of a problem in the Ultimate Cut, where I actually kind of like Clark as a character, but his death rings hollow to me on account of it being so avoidable and contrived. The death serves roughly the same purpose for both characters (affirming their heroism and completing their character arcs) but I believe it more coming from Pietro.
Eisenberg also creates a much more tense and terrifying villain the cartoonish Ultron.
I know I find the robot who would chop your arm off at the slightest provocation more terrifying than some twenty something giggling loon who uses a jar of his urine as an intimidation tactic and who's plan only works because his opponents are either insane or stupid.
Age of Ultron throws empty action scenes at us with no characters we care about at stake, while BVS delivers suspenseful scenes with Lois, Martha, Batman and Superman all fighting for their lives.
I know I care more about the Avengers in any given action scene than any of BvS' cast especially the psychotic, narrowminded, alcoholic Bruce. Tell me, why does the bat mobile chase scene need to be in the film? It can't be there to show us that Bruce has gone overboard, the film's already made that point. It can't be there for him to get the Kryptonite cause he fails to do that. It exists only to be an action scene because we haven't had one for a while and compromising Bruce's character for the sake of cheap thrills is ok by Snyder.
Then there's Olsen doing a comically bad Balki from Perfect Strangers accent.
Meh, never bothered me, especially with it being a fictional accent with no basis for how it's "supposed" to sound.
The fundamental flaw in the movie is that Tony Stark creates Ultron and then kind of goes "oops" and it's forgotten about
Except no it isn't. What, did you want the whole movie to be Tony taken to task for creating the problem by accident? We got multiple extended scenes where he goes over it with the team, particularly Steve and Bruce; why he thought Ultron was necessary, what he'd intended him to do/be, etc.
In BVS, Batman makes a mistake and truly shows guilt and atones for it.
Batman is a crazy person who's atonement comes too little too late after spending the entire film trying to kill a man for selfish, paranoid reasons, to the point that him feeling guilty at all strikes me as unearned. Tony spends the entirety of AoU working to fix his mistake, which he made for completely altruistic reasons.
Age of Ultron is wafer thin storytelling, while BVS is swimming in emotional and thematic depth
BvS brings up the themes/motifs of mortality, god hood, manipulation of public perception, power/powerlessness, revenge, goodness, etc, but only ever skins the surface of those ideas and anything it actually has to say isn't backed up by the events of the film. AoU has definitive statements to make about evolution, morality, man's capacity to be both savior and monster, the concept of perspective an