Changing the characters personalities is unacceptable.
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dtcrocbattle — 12 years ago(February 05, 2014 05:31 AM)
As someone who has lived in the foster care system, a lot of older kids (preteen on up) act like Billy does in the comics. It's more of a defense mechanism, to always put this tough face up in front of everyone.
Also, in the comics they show Billy as having a loving and protective core on the inside which is why he was chosen to be SHAZAM (formerly Captain Copyright Infringement
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I can't really speak on Barry Allen simply because he was dead by the time I started reading comics and Wally West was The Flash. Though in later comics he never really came off as a joker.
For the rest of characters one does have to keep in mind that the movie is about an early event. A lot of the heroes are still in their Year One. These characters will grow to be better heroes.
Superman - They gave him the personality of a normal guy with powers and morals. Yes he's a cocky jerk. Most people would be if they couldn't be hurt, but he is still a hero to the core. He does protect people and save them and he still doesn't kill.
Wonder Woman - has always been a warrior first diplomat second. She is, after all, Amazonian. However, here lines in this movie were delivered in a painful way.
Green Lantern - Hal Jordan has never been depicted as the guy who takes things seriously. I have always seen him depicted as a hot shot, lady's man, flyboy. The Hal Jordan that a lot of young readers know is the legendary veteran and hero. This Hal is a young fresh-on-the-beat Green Lantern.
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Hiragana_Kanji — 12 years ago(February 05, 2014 08:31 AM)
You pointed out the issue many people have with these guys.. Billy and Sups being "normal" in the way they acted. The reason that they are heroes is due to them being not being normal. For most people people the draw of a superman goes beyond that he is super powerful but the person he is. Billy isn't loved due to him being powerful he if loved so much due to his power to stay good over all the bad stuff that happen in his life.
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dtcrocbattle — 12 years ago(February 05, 2014 09:48 AM)
1st - A hero is anyone who stands up against evil regardless. So yeah, they're still both heroes.
2nd - Billy root character is good. He defended his foster siblings from bullies, he feeds a pet tiger at the Zoo, and he really cares when he hurts people feelings. All they did was make him less happy-go-lucky and more bad boy with a heart.
As far as Superman goes you're right in regards that he should be a beacon of hope, but Billy is just a normal human kid (teenager).
And if we are judging heroes based on their personality, then Batman would be out of the running as a hero. He's completely nuts and always has been.
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preachcaleb — 12 years ago(February 05, 2014 09:27 AM)
Superman came off as an arrogant a-hole in this.
GL was most definitely whiny and very weak. The fact that Batman refers to him and himself as the "normal" ones solidifies this. GL should be up there with the rest in terms of power. Certainly above Cyborg.
Wonder Woman was nowhere near the regal princess she should be. She came off like a frat boy.
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dtcrocbattle — 12 years ago(February 05, 2014 09:55 AM)
The fact that Batman refers to him and himself as the "normal" ones solidifies this. GL should be up there with the rest in terms of power. Certainly above Cyborg.
What Batman meant is that without the ring, Green Lantern would just be Air Force test pilot Hal Jordan. They are the only ones who are not meta-humans or actually have any powers.
Batman says "We are among an alien, an Amazonian warrior, a speedster, a cyborg, and a living lightning bolt." (note that I'm paraphrasing here.)
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preachcaleb — 12 years ago(February 05, 2014 10:19 AM)
I understood what he meant. It's just faulty.
The the same would apply to most of them if you take away the source of their powers. Without the speedforce, Flash is just a normal guy. Without his cybernetic parts, Cyborg was just a football player. Without the magic word, Shazam is just a kid. None of them were born with their powers.
It was a really weak and insulting description of a guy who can travel through space and create solid objects with just his mind.
Hal should've told him, "Speak for yourself, Bats," and flown away.
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hyperbolic_time_waster — 12 years ago(February 07, 2014 08:14 PM)
I couldn't agree more. Superman was a mega-douche and an arrogant idiot. He killed the guy who was trying to convert him into a Reaper in such a dark way! Earlier in the movie, Batman said Superman didn't kill and Superman confirmed! No! I understand why Supes killed Zod in Man of Steel, but he didn't have to kill that one guy in this movie.
Wonder Woman was justwow. Super cheesy and campy; I cringed at the ice cream scene and the awkward intimate moments she had with Superman.
Green Lantern annoyed me too; as did his voice. Why not get Nathan Fillion or Adam Baldwin again?
Captain Marvel was bad too. But wait, didn't he always have lightning powers? Doesn't the "Z" in SHAZAM stand for Zeus? To me, that says that lightning powers are implied.
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SilentOne92 — 12 years ago(February 08, 2014 02:16 PM)
Agree somewhat. This film seems to be written for a much younger audience but not with much that would have an older audience really enjoying it. It is an okay animated move. I think if it was written a little more for adults, it would have been extremely good
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pillsdude7 — 12 years ago(February 09, 2014 12:02 AM)
Don't compare these guys to the Watchmen characters they are nothing alike. That is like comparing Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet to Stephenie Meyer's Twilight books because it deals with two lovers from two different worlds. The characters in this movie definitely have problems but they aren't designed that way in a break down of the superhero it was to make them darker or edgier for new readers basically Ultimate DC. There really was no deep thought into making the New 52 DC it was just another reboot about the 5th to 6th time they have done it through the years and probably in another 10 they will reboot the DC universe again.
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Dragonsouls — 12 years ago(February 09, 2014 02:26 AM)
No, they aren't like the Watchmen, but they are "Less Perfect" than in the past. Sothere is a slight comparison there. The Watchmen were not the prototypical super-heroes. And now, everyone is following that mold. The new Justice League is for sure. And I like it. I'm not a new reader, but I accept change and respect it.
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arusinghnz — 12 years ago(February 13, 2014 09:27 PM)
Agreed. The DC New 52 is a mess. I gave up reading the whole lot.
My thought is that they should have just continued on from Flash Point. Everything worked for me with the characters and would have made a better starting point than a total reboot.
A total reboot just confuses the storytelling and the historical stuff is now obsolete. I however have also gone back to reading comics before the reboot and am enjoying those as well.
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shadowreign2k — 12 years ago(February 18, 2014 10:28 PM)
Agreed with OP.
However, after watching Crisis on Two Earths again I take to heart something Owlman said, "Every decision we make is meaningless, because somewhere on a parallel earth we've already made the opposite choice." With that said, I'd like to believe that the New 52 is a parallel earth created by the events of Flashpoint and that the DC Universe as we once knew it still exists somewhere. -
jamasian_man — 12 years ago(February 20, 2014 02:03 AM)
What's even worse is that all Original DC Movies now have to be in continuity with this one.
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brickfire — 12 years ago(February 23, 2014 11:31 AM)
Meaning they won't adapt the way better Justice League stories from the 90's or make a Wonder Woman sequel. All their movies will be based on New 52 stuff, which I think the majority of the titles suck (except for Batgirl, Wonder Woman, Batman, and Aquaman)
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cyguration — 10 years ago(December 19, 2015 02:55 AM)
I loved the whole Owlman character so much. He had some of the best writing for a character in the animated DC movies. I wish he could have been featured in more stuff because he was such a fascinating villain.