I love this but i go with Mask of the Phantasm
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james_oblivion — 18 years ago(May 01, 2007 12:03 AM)
Too close to call.
I will say this, thoughthe Joker in the ROTJ flashback is my favorite. Not only is he properly sadistic, with some of the best dialogue he's ever been given, but the character design is better than the one from BTAS and MOTPand
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triem23 — 18 years ago(June 12, 2007 06:20 PM)
While I think the flashback scene in this is the most effective sequence in all of Batman or batman Beyond, I think MotP is a stronger movie. It's storyline is more stand-alone, and some of the changes made to the origins of Batman are stellar.
spoiler for MotP
Personally I love changing the origin of the costume. Rather than being reminded of being scared by bats as a child, Bruce is inspired by his beloved's reaction to bats as a grown womanthe woman who leaves him the next day when he was ready to turn aside from vigilantism for her.
In the Animated Series universe Bruce is reminding himself to not allow himself to get close to anyone every time he puts on the suitand that's damn poignant. -
comicstu — 18 years ago(June 13, 2007 06:10 PM)
ROTJ. Better animation, better story, better exploration of the Batman/Joker dynamic, better psychological value, etc. MOTP, as much as I love it, relies too much on exposition to progress the story suffered from a very predictable identity for the 'mystery' villain, and some of the lines were just plain out of place. ROTJ is able to go overload on fast paced action scenes and yet still offer as much depth as MOTP.
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ghoultown — 18 years ago(July 07, 2007 08:39 AM)
As much as it seems like a spinoff, ROTJ is a lot more bacabre in how they represent the Joker. He had the least camp value out all his appearances in the shows, but then I've never actually seen Mad Love either.
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basement_jaxx86 — 18 years ago(March 06, 2008 02:52 AM)
Can't help, but situations are demanding and mostly put me to be in a very diplomatic position
Same goes when it comes to making a comparison between these two contemporary animated classics!
Would rate highly for both of them. Had Mask of the phantasm been released sometime around the same as Return of the Joker, there would have been a justifiable comparison. But Return of the joker most certainly has the superior technological advantage and it shows. Joker's earth-shattering laser attack towards the end is by far one of the most explosive action scene I have ever seen in the Animated genre. But the Mask of the phantasm's explosive finale was also equally cool for it's time.
I love both of them for their action sequences and the JOKER!! HAHAHA! he really gets crazy towards the end in both, but was much more alive and crazier in Mask of the Phantasm!!
They've been set in different times and successfully bring to life Bruce Wayne's character and his motive to bring down the bad guys. He might be a bit old in this one but his role as always is super-eminent. Terry McGuiness fits in perfectly.
Kudos to the entire animation team at warner bros. Their work & creativity in the animated arena is unrivalled. -
ZAROVE — 18 years ago(November 24, 2007 08:14 PM)
I actually hated Return Of THe Joker, and prefer Mask Of The Phantasm.
Actually, Even though the Joker came back ( With no explanaiton fo how) his Death in Phantasm made more sence storywise than his Reappearance did in Returns.
Just a thought, anyway.
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PanteraFan4 — 18 years ago(February 04, 2008 06:34 PM)
i like both a lot. i found it stange that MOTP didn't get a PG-13 Rating. i mean there was blood and a lot of violence. plus the whole story was very mature as far as gangs and murder. then there's the love stry between bruce and andi: it was practically obvious that they had sex after they talked about her father and the phantasm and then the fade to the next day. and of course the joker was at his most sinister and evil up to that point of the Batman Animated franshise. all this is why MOTP is probobly considered the best of the animie films from the Batman series.
i also enjoyed ROTJ very much (The uncut version). im not a huge fan of the Batman Beyond series but this was exelent. and also worthy of the PG-13 rating i guess. if just for the flashback scene of how Joker and harley died and the whole child abuse and murder thing.
but overall i think i like MOTP the best.
RIP:
Heath Ledger - 1979-2008
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ZAROVE — 18 years ago(March 09, 2008 09:46 PM)
ComicStu, when I said "No explanation fo how", I mean, pos "Mask of THe Phantasm".
If the Mask Of THe Phantasm is seen as a completley stand alone film, without reference to the rest of the Animated series, the Implicaiton, seieng Andi alone on a ship at the end, is that she had killed the last of her fathers killers, and had comleted her revenge.
On that note, it is unlikely that she'd leave and not finish off the Joker, since she was completley obsessed with meeting ut revenge for the death of her father.
Thus, the Joker turnign uo alive in Post Phantasm works is a bitwell, unexplained.
If he lived through this, and so did Andi, why did sh emake no further attemtos on his life? He as int he news a lot, so she knew he was alive and well.
We know he didn't kill her and escape, so, again, why didnt she return to finish him off?
I suppsoe an Ad Hoc explanaiton of her giving up vengence and the Joker thinkign he'd killed her may suffice, but as it isnow its just not somethign that sits evenly with te olot.
It was clar int he final confrontation that one or the other as suppose to die.
So the Jokers continued life after the Mask Of THe Phantasm is a bit of a puzzle.
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comicstu — 18 years ago(March 30, 2008 09:52 AM)
But MOTP definitely was linked to the animated series through continuity, especially seeing as how it is referenced in 'Beware the Creeper'. Joker couldn't have died in MOTP, and even though it seems implied, the fact that he appears later in B:TAS, TNBA, and JL, means that he definitely did not die at the end of the movie. That sort of irks me too, but I think the blame should be put on MOTP, and not what came after, because it seems pretty clear that the writers had always intended for him to return.
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mariano_yuba — 17 years ago(July 23, 2008 07:28 PM)
You could say she quitBUT she was there to kill Terry's parents in Epilogue.
Even if she realized killing was wrong then, she probably didn't give it a second thought till then.
O well, maybe she just didn't wanna mess with the Joker. There's a reason many nutcases could kill him but they don't even try.