I love this but i go with Mask of the Phantasm
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oddball_oddity-1 — 18 years ago(March 06, 2008 01:45 AM)
RotJ has great scenes, great moments of dialogue however, MotP was a far more moving story and felt complete. MotP was fully fleshed out, whereas RotJ felt it relied more on following the series. There's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't help it to be a stand alone work.
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albeus51 — 16 years ago(July 17, 2009 04:44 AM)
As some already mentioned, ROTJ seems like an action packed extended episode. However Mask of the Phantasm has much more of a cinematic feel. ROTJ does a fantastic job with an alternate past/future for Tim Drake, and its always great to see Harley get some quality domestic time with her puddin'. But in terms of voice acting, plot, and sheer drama I must bow in omage to Mask of the Phantasm.
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brian_32165 — 16 years ago(August 27, 2009 02:36 PM)
i agree. MOTP was better simply because it was more cinematic and if any of you remember, it actually did come out in theaters, unlike ROTJ and all the other batman animated movies. thats one of the reasons it has the love story, added in with the action and suspense. the producers were going for a more theatrical approach for this film.
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tintinrulz — 16 years ago(December 15, 2009 05:49 PM)
Mask of the Phantasm for me. I'm more familiar with the Batman: Animated Series than the Batman Beyond series. I grew up with the B:AS and treasured it. It has a bit better story. The flashback scene in Return of the Joker is chilling and brilliant but that's the only part I go 'wow' over. The rest is quite good, just a bit alien to me (and much of the background music is incredibly generic and insipid, a real pity).
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GreenGoblinsOckVenom86 — 16 years ago(January 07, 2010 09:41 PM)
I'll have to go with Mask of the Phantasm. It just seems weird to have the Joker come back through a device in Robin's head.
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Wolf1880 — 16 years ago(March 24, 2010 08:20 PM)
i'd have to say they are equally good in different waysI think that Return of The Joker is the Mask of The Phantasm only of the "Batman Beyond era"
i think the rank would go as follows from best to worst
-Batman: Mask of The Phantasm (Since it was the first and if not for it more than likely wouldn't have any the others)
-Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker (Since it IS a very close second.)
-Batman & Mr.Freeze: Sub-Zero (Since it's really not bad for a Direct to DVD Movie)
-Batman: Mystery of The Batwoman (Since it's the last DCAU movie in associated with Bruce Timm's universe)
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-The Dark Knight
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Raiden_OC — 15 years ago(August 06, 2010 07:46 PM)
Can I say I love them both Equally??? I Just feel you really can not compare these two is due to the fact that the story lines are both awesome in their own way I mean one is in the Future and the Other is supposed to be the Present times of that timeline of Mask of the Phantasm.
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Wolf1880 — 15 years ago(August 06, 2010 09:01 PM)
Can I say I love them both Equally???
sure. why not?? when people try compare the Batman movies and say "this one is better than that one but that one is better than the next one" Alot of times I tell em that they are just equally as good, just in their own ways and different.
Fact of the matter is I'm sick of everyone trying to say "this is the best batman movie"
It's like the James Bond movies. The first one may be Dr.No and the rest may be sequels to Dr.No. They're still all stand alone films though. same with all the Batman films. You can pretty much watch them in any order and rank them in any order you want
the only 2 pairs of Batman films that really connect are Batman Begins with The Dark Knight and MAYBE Burtons Batman with Batman Returns
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LbFilmFanatic — 15 years ago(September 16, 2010 10:47 AM)
I love them both with their different meanings - How in Mask of The Phantasm, Bruce Wayne might have been able to become completely civilized feasibly, and then settle down. But then in the end, he has to get included into a mysterious case involving gangsters getting killed one by one by a sinister presence that looks like Batman. Brilliant story, voice acting, brilliant direction, brilliant art work. Great characterisations.
Batman Return of The Joker - The new Batman. I was sceptical of the concept of Bruce Wayne getting older, and having to include a new Batman to fill in the part. But I watched this, and it was awesome! Pretty short, but I loved The Joker's return through mysterious means (all explanatory in the movie), how Bruce Wayne has no way of becoming the caped crusader any more, and Terry McGuiness' redemption through the actions he partakes in as Batman (as he was nearly going down a sloped down path). I thought the case with The Joker's disappearance was actually creepy! I mean, the flash back sequence I am referring to. And how Tim Drake former Robin has become the genesis of something much worse Overall good characterisations, very well done sequences, a thrilling feeling when Joker returns, and it is truly underrated.
If I were to pick one It would definitely be Mask of the Phantasm. It sets a very good, and balanced tone. It's got enough in there to keep the movie flowing. It's one of the most rarest Animated features to ever hit the box office (You know like spin off's) but I just feel that the story to it, how much you sympathise with Bruce Wayne, and the case with the Joker was just brilliant to watch. I still love Return of The Joker, though, but just not as much.
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!!!deleted!!! (14789810) — 15 years ago(December 19, 2010 01:49 PM)
Mask of the Phantasm by quite a bit.
It felt like a much more complete film and less like a TV special
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Gustav_Fiers — 15 years ago(February 08, 2011 03:29 PM)
Both are really great, but Return of the Joker is a bigger adrenaline rush for me. The Joker is just razor sharp insane, and I love it. The flashback scene with Robin is probably the best thing the DCAU universe ever did.