Why the hate for Pucci?
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bigtpoppapuff — 15 years ago(February 10, 2011 08:22 PM)
And I'm guessing the defenders of Pucci are people stricken with weak stomachs who want nothing but trite melodrama and whose worthless time should be focused on soap operas and romantic comedies rather than tarnishing good shows so they could be dumbed down for a more general audience. And you know what's funny? The reality is my statement is sadly far more accurate than anyone here wants to admit; myself included.
The character is annoying. She has contributed nothing interesting to the show so far. And rather it's unjustified or completely justifiable, she personifies everything people have hated about season two. She, fairly or not, represents the change in tone from action show that season one viewers loved to the cutesy comedy with equal sides action and romance. The character represents the downhill freefall the weekly plotlines have taken and the saccharin dialogue that permeates the scripts. The truth is the audience of season one who stuck through season two have less than enough faith in the ability to resurrect the shows quality with that character still on the show. The apparent safer option would be to simply "kill off" the character as it would be one less hurdle for this show to reach its quality in its debut season.
And that's why people want the character gone. You can flame and blast others all you want, but everything stated above is the simple truth: The character is the embodiment of everything that has gotten worse with the show. That doesn't mean the show and the character can't be fixed, it just means a lot of people would rather just remove her entirely. -
sprice205 — 15 years ago(February 10, 2011 08:59 PM)
couldn't agree more!
The character of Ilsa Pucci is that of a dolt. It is impossible to imagine this woman running anything more than her pantyhose, but we're supposed to believe she runs a multi-million (billion?) dollar international foundation, and that this excitable, witless, feckless, moderately attractive woman could attract someone like her deceased husband? I'm sorry, but if one is going to ask me to swallow that, he's going to have to suspend my disbelief, and nothing even close to that has happened.
What's worse is that now we're supposed to buy a romance between her and Chance??? Please. Marianow THAT I can understand: she's intelligent, centered, driven, purposeful, as adept at living on her wits and skills as Chance is, andnot that she needed to bebut she's also gorgeous. But this Ilsa imbecile? A character like Christopher Chance could not become Christopher Chance by suffering fools gladly, and a little of this woman is a lot of fool.
I LOVED the first season. Loved it! But I'm sorryif they keep this character in the seriesor worse, continue some sort of romantic thread for her with Chanceor, actually, anyone on the teamthen that is just a little too taxing on my imagination.
Somebody screwed the Pucci hereI just hope it won't be Chance. -
marvelgirl77 — 15 years ago(February 11, 2011 01:47 AM)
Maria was also a conniving little backstabber. And by the way, I thought season 1 was much more soap opera-ish (Though I loved it just the same because the rest made up for it). I mean seriously? He falls in love with a girl after a day then she gets killed by his former best friend in a tragic explosion? Cue teary Chance going after Baptiste for revenge. Days of our Lives would have a field day with that one! Season 2 had much less drama and the character development for Winston and Guerrero were wonderfully done. OH and just to be clear, Ilsa is gorgeous imo, albeit not conventionally but I find her much more beautiful and with much more character than either Maria or Katherine Walters. She's strong and independent, it doesn't make her a dolt that the violence she's exposed to rattles her to some degree-any sane person would do the same.
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sprice205 — 15 years ago(February 11, 2011 05:25 AM)
We'll just have to respectfully disagree, although I, too, think that Katherine Walters was forgettable, as was that entire plotline (at best).
As well, I also think that Maria was conniving (backstabber? Perhaps, though I see her more as desperate, but neither characterization is particularly attractive). That being said, Maria's level of intellect and her interests are something that I find more believable as an attraction point for Chance than (and this is where you and I will disagree) Ilsa's constant panic and failure to see the point. Whether those reactions are "sane" is irrelevant when it comes to attraction. As far as her having character goeswellI guess, although it comes across to me as more priggish and stilted, and IMO she tends to present that "character" with a heavy dose of judgment and criticism, and before taking any time to find out the details. Once she does, she always "come around" to see it their way, and even then she has trouble learning: as soon as another situation presents itself where she must call their tactics/judgment/ethics into question, she first flies off the handle, spouting off rather than first saying to herself, "Hmmmmthis doesn't seem right, but I've thought that before and was wrong. Perhaps I'd better withhold judgment and find out some facts first." She's gradually getting better, but thenthat contributes to what I mean about being a "dolt"she seems to be an awfully slow learner.
Sorrygot on my high horse again
Isn't it nice that we all don't agree exactly on everything? That would make this a very boring existence -
ambrosia-apples — 15 years ago(March 23, 2011 01:41 AM)
that this excitable, witless, feckless, moderately attractive woman could attract someone like her deceased husband?
I'm sure they got married when they were younger. Go watch Kama Sutra and then tell me that Indira Varma wasn't incredibly beautiful and alluring in her early 20s. -
powerfull_jedi — 15 years ago(February 13, 2011 11:02 AM)
I have to say this, there's not an issue with drama.
Season 1 had plenty of that. Don't forget that Chance actually cares about the people he wants to save and wants to know them well enough. Remember the recurring Katherine Walters backstory?
So there was a plenty of drama in the first season as it is. However, season 2's drama was more drama just for the sake of it.
I'm my opinion, having Isla nag over every little detail, no matter how pointless, is counterproductive, in the metaphorical and literal sense, to the show's mommentum.
However, I am happy to report that having seen episode 7 and 8, I finally liked what they wanted to do with the Ilsa character. It took 7 episodes, but they finnaly got her character the way it should've been from the start.
The last 2 episodes I've seen are finally starting to resemble a real Human Target episode. -
I_Guard_Tanelorn — 15 years ago(February 13, 2011 07:33 PM)
My problem with Pucci is, and I don't care about how annoying she is or any of that crap, life is full of people like that. My problem was she was endlessly injected into scenes and story lines she never should have been part of. When they first brought her in I didn't mind in the least and I thought she was going to play an M sort of role, mostly seen behind her desk, and generally being stern and unamused at the beginning and end of each episode. They gave Winston a high tech lab to play in, very cool, he don't need his desk no more, this frees him up from having to be Chance's mentor/manager. And off topic, Ames' character would actually work on the show too if they made her a cut throat mental Nikita style character who wanted to learn from the best and so became Guirrero's little pet that was just intriguing enough for him to keep around instead of being a pestering brat.
And these things would have made the show great.
"I said no camels, that's five camels, can't you count?" -
powerfull_jedi — 15 years ago(February 15, 2011 04:03 PM)
Yes, exactly
In the early episodes of season 2 it's clear that Ilsa and Ames don't really need to be here.
Most of the times they just appear in frame that could've been edited out, no problem.
It's amazing at how much crap that Winston and Chance have put up with Ilsa, who scolds them as if she was a overprotective mother chastising her bratty children.
And it's also reflects poorly on the trio's character judgement when Ames is brought. I've seen 8 episodes already, she has done nothing but screw around and almost always fumbling the simple orders she is given.
Guerrero in episode 7, makes a simple request to Ames to not reveal any personal details, she of course, makes that mistake in less than 30 seconds.
She cannot fight, isn't strong enough to lay a punch and I don't think she can even hold a handgun properly, why is she on the team? The only skill she uses is theft and well, her good looks. But unfortunately her charm fades away instantely the second she makes her obnoxious face.
Not even Ilsa takes her seriously So why does a team feels the need to keep a completely worthless team member around? -
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powerfull_jedi — 15 years ago(February 19, 2011 03:01 PM)
I can understand Pucci's involvment in the series.
I've seen episode 9, 10 and 11 today and now it's becoming clear what exactly is her role in all of this. As bitchy and naggy as she is, she's starting to make sense and I'm very curious about the final episodes.
I'm not going to discuss spoilers, but they appear to be pointing to something.
Now about Ames, I'm sorry, she's pretty to look at, but don't mistake my dislike for her as some form as mysoginism, it's not.
She's pretty to look at, but the fact that she barely does anything, her skills are for the most part worthless in virtually every episode. She can't fight and the moment she pouts and makes that obnoxious grin, lose all interest in the character.
It's nice to have eye candy, I can understand why guys would go crazy for Ames, but honestly -
powerfull_jedi — 15 years ago(February 19, 2011 05:14 PM)
You were right about two things, ricksweetrick.
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The role she played out in this season, had greater implications than what I originally thought. This season was entirely her story arc and everything started to click after episode 8.
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I was focusing so much of my anger on Ilsa, that I didn't notice the huge gapping flaw in this show that was Ames. -
Kalavati — 15 years ago(February 21, 2011 07:48 PM)
I agree with you guys Rick and Jedi. I started watching HT after coming off a Rome, The Whistleblowers, Luther bender. I saw the commercial with Indira, and said ok, I will give this show a try..but dang..tracking down this show was entertainment in itself. So I had to find other means to watch most of the episodes.
That being said, I LOVE season 2 !I think the cast is awesome and the female dynamic trying to adjust into this formerly boys club no rules etc. I think most of the common problems of this show could be easily solved by more episodes. That way the writing could be much tighter, because they will not have to pack so much into an episode.
Ilsa, I found, gives Winston something else to do and another storyline to follow, especially since most of her nagging and such had Winston written all over it.That is what I find strange when people complain about Ilsa and her nagging but they completely leave out Winston in that argument. Ilsa butts heads with them because she wants them to do better,but also she wants to be a part of the team..and like she says to bridge the chasm between them. I think also it is to have them recognize her more than just a paycheque .. So when she asks for an explanation to whatever,they damn well understand that she isnt a pushover and explain rather than shrugging her off. I was a bit tired of the how strong Ilsa is speeches, but I think her character is great. I am so glad they didnt do that ,will they wont they crap that can just frustrates an audience mentally blue balling them. Gave up on Bones for that same reason.
I think Ilsa and Chance both share the same pain and connection (hers being more understandable than his imo). And throughout the season you see them both heal each other. Like I said before, one thing that made Chance change his view on Ilsa I think was in the jungle. He betrays her trust for his old flame, and uses her basically, puts the other team members in danger , and in the end, SHE is the one that has to pay when Hector comes to collect when he beats the crap out of her. That is why in imbroglio,Chance is overprotective of her because he feels it was his fault,even though she never used it against him. She once again,repeats herself telling him to stop trying to save her, when faced in the situation she can take care of herself.
Also, there is a goodness and integrity in Ilsa that I think Chance is attracted to,and he wants to preserve it (ex. His speech to her in the jungle about killing someone). Mark Valley plays CC so well, I love his looks of when he sees Ilsa showing compassion to Julia, someone who its unclear if she had an affair with her husband. And on the roof where he is making a joke with her,only to stop when he realizes that she is crying. I think it will eventually lead him to forgive Baptiste and come to terms with his past.Like I said before as well, the episodes tend to mirror each other,The Wifes Tale, and Marshall pucci for example.
Like my husband said, he can relate to a man being attracted to a woman like that, where she still needs protecting and nuturing but she also has that fire to spar with him. And also a woman who is not afraid or too tough chick to show her weak sides or more importantly to view a man in a lesser state because he has one. That balance turns love into passionate love.
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powerfull_jedi — 15 years ago(February 22, 2011 03:48 AM)
Exactly, everything about Ilsa fits the story, because everything that happens is pertinent to her character and her backstory.
It's a different approach than the previous season, where Chance's encounter with many of the girls of the previous season had a conflict that was resolved in an entire episode.
But then again, most of those characters were somewhat humble people(except the princess on episode 11),however, a person such as Ilsa, who was married to a millionaire and it's hinted early on that something just wasn't right.
So whatever issues they would have wouldn't be resolved in the space of just one episode, there had to be someone bigger pulling the strings.
Again, Ilsa makes perfect sense, Ames, on the other hand, does not. -
