She could not have died at a worse time
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Kenneth-8 — 10 years ago(June 03, 2015 11:32 AM)
Don't forget Mother Teresa dying a day or so after Princess Diana's death. Also Ray Charles dying around the same time as Ronald Reagan (and I'm huge Ronald Reagan fan and conservative but still felt bad for Ray's family). Celebrity deaths usually happen in twos or threes so invariably someone gets overshadowed by the other.
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vmars080 — 11 years ago(August 12, 2014 06:14 PM)
Can we just delete this thread?
I can mourn more than one person at a time, as can most others, so sorry to have inconvenienced you, "mynewaccount". Death is a personal and communal loss and we can all grieve for the losses that we need to.
I also disagree with your entire subject - there is no best or worst time to die, especially when it is someone in your family. So you might feel that way, but it sounds very cold and silly and unfeeling. You even talk about her as a "financially successful" person in your first sentence, that is just who thinks like that?
Ms Bacall will be mourned greatly by we who loved her films, and her family will need love and support. SO sorry you were inconvenienced by the loss of Mr Williams. -
sdc100 — 11 years ago(August 13, 2014 11:16 PM)
You seem to miss the point of the OP. @mynewaccount never said that you can't mourn more than one person at a time. S/he was talking more about the media, where there is LIMITED time and resources. And sure enough, s/he is correct. Compare the time Robin Williams is getting with that for Bacall. Even here in NYC, where she lived, the media spends 80-90% more time on Williams. Bacall is relegated to a footnote.
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BarelyHere — 11 years ago(August 16, 2014 01:38 PM)
Yes, we will immediately delete all threads you disagree with. And ban any corrections to grammar or spelling as they may offend you. Sorry everyone has not yet received the memo that the internet revolves around you.
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srklondie — 11 years ago(August 12, 2014 06:36 PM)
Well, there probably isn't a good time to die, unless of course, if you're in a great deal of pain. From your posts, it appears that you have a pretty good knowledge of actors/film. You should probably know the great character actor Ed Nelson. He died today. I never witnessed a poor performance by him.
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twirlyduck — 11 years ago(August 13, 2014 05:23 PM)
I seriously doubt that it was her decision to make!
I agree, but I kind of understand the OP's point. May 16, 1990 Jim Henson and Sammy Davis Jr. both died, but Henson got a great deal more attention in the press. Does that mean he was more talented than Davis? No, of course not, Davis was brilliant, but Henson was a prominent personality at the time of his death while Sammy's notoriety belonged to a different generation. I'd say the Candy Man song from 1972 was his last hurrah as a singer (it hit #1) and so 20 years later he didn't have the same imprint on pop culture as Henson did in 1990 when they both died.
With Robin Williams, he stayed in the public eye chronically from the late 1970s forward to the day of his death. The same was true of Michael Jackson. Had the Jackson Five just faded away and Michael hadn't become a breakout phenomenon, there wouldn't have been much more than a footnote mention of his passing. The comparison applies also to Lauren Bacall. Even had Williams not died, Bacall's strongest appeal was linked to the 1940s and husband Humphrey Bogart and the fact that she was still a teenager when he fell for her. What would younger generations know her for? What would today's generation know her for? In my opinion all they'd have to do is see her in To Have and Have Not and they'd instantly understand her appeal, but the point is most won't see her nostalgic performances and so she's not given the tributes, tweets nor will she elicit a tear from late night talk show hosts.
But to be honest there's more at work with Robin Williams. He cut his own life short and that leaves a different kind of void. It adds to the sadness for a lot of people. Just my opinion. -
nevadaschmidt — 11 years ago(August 13, 2014 10:31 AM)
Who cares whether someone pays attention to her or not. She's dead. She enjoyed a full and accomplished life.
Besides, Williams was the greater talent.
Who knows how quickly Bacall would have been forgotten had it not been for Bogie?
It wasnt until almost 20 years later that Bacall would emerge from the shadow of being Bogarts wife/widow and hit her stride, this time onstage, where she scored successes in the comedy Cactus Flower and then won two Tonys in musicals Applause (1970) and, later, Woman of the Year (1981).
That had less to do with her acting assignments than with her social and political reputation lying long-legged on Vice President Harry Trumans piano, bravely protesting with her husband against the House Un-American Activities hearings as early as 1947, campaigning for Adlai Stevenson (twice), or hosting the Rat Pack in Holmby Hills with Bogie and later, in New York, with another famous husband, actor Jason Robards Jr. It has been suggested that her career she was under contract at Warners for several years was harmed by her political outspokenness. Bogart did some of his best work in those years, but then, he was Bogart. -
KrazeeforKittiez — 11 years ago(August 14, 2014 11:53 AM)
He was still working, was younger and he killed himself. I think the shock value is partly why he may be getting more publicity.
Also, she would have been 90 this year. I believe she was retired and had lived a nice long life.
Now, everyone mentioned in "Vogue" is gone.
RIP Miss Bacall; you are a true legend. Oops! just saw an old nterview and she said she did not like that word. Well, she will always be remembered as long as they show her movies.
I had the chance to work with Michael Jackson who was as brilliant as they come.
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chihuahuaboydh-724-612855 — 11 years ago(August 16, 2014 12:47 PM)
I agree with you, Gandolph. The only reason Ms. Bacall'a death is being ignored, is because of the nature & circumstances of Robin Williams' death. Plus, Mr. Williams had been active in the entertainment industry since the late 1970s, while Lauren Bacall had been retired from acting since the early 1980s. Not to take anything away from either of these wonderful enter5b4tainers, though.
R.I.P., Lauren Bacall.
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jf_moran49 — 11 years ago(August 23, 2014 07:16 PM)
You are incorrect Lauren Bacall was "retired from acting since the early 1980s." She was still a working actress at the time of her death. In fact, this year she voiced a character on the FOX animated series "Family Guy."
A simple perusal of her resume here on on IMDB.com will show you Miss Bacall had many projects since the early 1980s, including several films, among them a supporting role in Stephen King's "Misery" (1990) that starred James Caan and Kathy Bates; as well the starring role in 1981's "The Fan," with her good friend the late James Garner.
Bacall won her second Tony Award (for "Woman of the Year") in 1981. Her first and only Oscar nomination, for the Barbra Streisand-directed "The Mirror Has Two Faces," was in 1996. And she portrayed the elderly heiress Doris Duke in a television film in 1999, co-starring with Richard Chamberlain.
Bacall also did a lot of voice work (including for PBS) from the 1980s up until the year of her death, owing to her distinctive low-register voice and precise diction and enunciation skills. In the 1980s she also famously filmed several TV commercials for the now-defunct, decaffeinated coffee brand "High Point," several of which are viewable on You Tube. To a person such as Betty Bacall, retirement was one word not in her vocabulary so long as she was physically able to work in a profession about which she was passionate. She always said her great love, after family, was her work.
Bacall authored a second memoir, "Now," in 1996, then in 2005 "By Myself & Then Some," a revised edition of 1978's award-winning "By Myself," her first memoir.
By the way, I saw Miss Bacall on stage at the Colonial Theater in Boston in November 1999, in the out-of-town tryout run for the Broadway-bound production of Noel Coward's "Waiting in the Wings," which also co-starred Rosemary Harris and the late Barnard Hughes. So I may personally attest to Bacall not having been "retired from acting since the early 1980s." -
MrsJove — 11 years ago(August 17, 2014 02:10 AM)
R.I.P. B. Lauren Bacall! R.I.P JMS! I see where you're coming from. I know that at the end of the year, for New Years Eve they'll show the "ones we lost this year" and that's that. I too felt for Farrah Fawcett, it was overshadowed by MJ's death. Tragic death. That's just the way it is. Same in Mexico, a celebrity of the Era5b4 Dorada ( Golden Age) of Mexican Cinema had passed on, and it was put aside because of Justin Beebers problems. I was like whaaat? But that's just the way it is. The way I see it, its like out with the old in with the new. Neither one of all these celebs are better than one another ( I mean as a human life, not in acting or careers ) its just one is more current than the other. We're bound to see many actors from back then pass on, and some younger ones like Robin W. wether natural circumstances, suicides, od's etc, but the most recent celebs will have more "air time" than the older ones. I hope nothing happens to Betty White soon, but I think shell be talked about more than let's say the other "Golden Girls", its just the way it is. And if a Hollywood hotmess at the time of her passing is showing naked selfies of her/himself that'll probably topple over a bit of recognition of their film/tv career achievments. Well this is my opinion, not a concrete fact. This is how I see it.
RIP Lauren Bacall one of my faves from the old days of cinema.
PS. Sorry for the mini rant.
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fifacup84 — 11 years ago(August 24, 2014 04:59 PM)
I actually think Robin Williams was a nicer kinder person off screen than Lauren Bacall was. Baccall apparently was well known for being rude and b*tchy to others, for seemingly no apparent reason. I've heard plenty of stories about how difficult and mean she was to people she perceived as lower than herself. This is in contrast to Robin Williams, who not only supported charities without publicity, but treated everyone, including normal people, with kindness and dignity. Baccall may have bee a Hollywood legend, but her diva behaviour was typical Hollywood. Williams was much more rare, nearly everyone loved him, off screen and on.
