'What I hate is agnosticism…'
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xffanatic_4ever — 16 years ago(May 22, 2009 09:09 PM)
I don't
think
big foot existsbut I really have no way of knowing, so I wouldn't dare say with 100% certainty that bigfoot either does or doesn't exist. That's how I feel about god, and that's why I'm agnostic. I always found atheists as odd thinking they
know
god doesn't exist, as religious ppl are thinking they know god
does
.
"I pray every single dayfor a REVOLUTION!" -
baz047 — 16 years ago(August 27, 2009 10:52 AM)
"Agnosticism, to me, is trying to appear by saying that "one doesn't know", when they're just too stupid to choose."
The thing about it though, is just that"One doesn't know". Even though I consider myself an Atheist but cannot with any knowledge say that there is or isn't a God. Anyone who tells you different is lying. This is truly something that we cannot know.
So, in a way, saying that you don't know and ultimately don't care is probably the smartest thing to do, why let someone with no real authority except from "I believe this." tell how to live your life? -
Chapaev36 — 16 years ago(October 06, 2009 09:40 PM)
Agnostic Atheism - means not subscribing to doctorine on god or gods while at the same time not claiming to have proof of their non-existence.
However, agnosticism without atheism should not even qualify as a point of view.- "So what's your stance on religion"?
- "Oh, I don'111ct know. Don't really know anything. Don't believe much in anything either, except in my lack of knowledge."
- "Oh, okay. Thanks for your time."
Every reasonable person is basically agnostic - but that's not a philosophy; it's just a basic declaration of modesty. However it takes a special fool to be agnostic and pretend it to be a belief system.
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pc_buttspasm — 15 years ago(December 30, 2010 07:51 PM)
For me it's kind of the difference between saying "I don't believe in god," and "I believe there is no god."
I'm agnostic about lots of things, but there are degrees to my agnosticism.
For example I am agnostic about there being life on other planets; I'm open to the idea, especially given the size of the universe etc, but I don't believe in it per se. It just seems likely.
As for god, well I don't even know what god is, or which god you mean. Everyone seems to have their own definition. Some people say that god is the universe; I'd have to get pretty abstract to deny the existence of the universe, so if god's the universe than yeah god seems to exist. Some people say that god is an all-powerful supernatural patriarch who created everything according to his own whim. That seems pretty unlikely to me, so boo to that one from me. Is god an unmeasurable life force that runs through us all? Is god the spark of imagination and intelligence that makes us human? Is god a worldwide (or maybe universe-wide) hive-mind that we are all part of? Are gods a race of giants who live on top of a mountain and mess with ordinary people's affairs for their own amusement? Is god the black man, as taught by the five percent nation? Is god chaos herself, as the discordians don't believe?
There are thousands of other definitions, but I forget them. -
buckshot69 — 15 years ago(January 02, 2011 07:32 PM)
I absolutely love the man for this comment. What sort of intellectual virtue does uncertainty serve? Religion is simple, either you believe it, or you don't Agnosticism is an ignorant nonexistent state of being. It's basically a fancy word college kids use to sound intelligent because they wouldn't want to come to a conclusion without the input of their teachers.
How can agnostics be stupid for being unsure about something that can't be seen, heard and touched?
Because their is NO PROOF. Anything without proof isn't worth being believed in, unless it's in the act of being proven.
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Goldberryiswaiting — 14 years ago(April 16, 2011 03:24 AM)
Actually, I think an Agn5b4ostic is someone who does not believe in any specific creed. They may indeed believe in God. Interesting that this probably off the cuff comment of Mr. Welles has spawned so much debate here. But you know what they say about Politics and Religion
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Sybran — 14 years ago(June 16, 2011 12:24 PM)
I'm gonna challenge you on this - the thing is, the fact that there are so many definitions and beliefs about god means that nobody knows what it is that there is no proof of. Some people define god as the universe - it could be said that they are just giving the universe another name, and i'm not gonna dive into semiotics, but because there is no single definition of god, this definition cannot be equated to the other definitions which atheists find improbable (such as god communicating to people through prophets). If 'God' to this person is the universe then yes, god exists.
You cannot prove the existence of god, but you cannot disprove it either - it's not like unicorns or the tooth fairy, because they have a singular meaning to them. God is far too abstract a concept, and too important a concept to compare to mythical creatures. In some religious sects, it may be described in this way, but because it is not a universally accepted description, it cannot be said that this definition of god is representative of all religions. And you don't even have to be religious to believe in god.
Lastly, 'anything without proof isn't worth being believed in, unless it's in the act of being proven' - i believed this too for a while and i can see how it makes sense, but for some people, the fact that we exist IS proof of god. Also continental drift was once considered fringe science and was mocked - three or four decades later it WAS in the act of being proven. And very little that we consider fact today is actually backed up by undeniable proof, theories are the best we have. Dinosaur bones are relics, and are evidence - we can deduce how they lived but we can't KNOW. Evolution, etc
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Sm5454 — 14 years ago(August 08, 2011 12:36 PM)
Somebody could just as easily give a murky or too abstract a definition of unicorns or fairies. In fact, what makes you think you can disprove the tooth fairy? How can you prove that negative? it is not up to others to disprove the superstitions of a person or group, it is up to those making the claims to prove it. And yes, we know how the dinosaurs lived. We do not have the complete picture yet, but some things are known. For example, the creationist claim that dinosaurs were all herbivores is false. We have coprolite with chucks of animals in it. BTW, the universe is not god, there is already a phrase for the universe; the universe. Nice try though in lumping skepticism with superstition, but nothing you said was intelligent, new or clever.