To those insulting Val's looks
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Val Kilmer
PebblesReturns — 14 years ago(July 10, 2011 11:47 PM)
Guy is one heck of an actor and quite frankly I think most of us would love to look that good at his age. It isn't easy. Kinda wondering how you all look? It's one thing to critique someones work and talent, another to get on here to just put someone down. I enjoy his talentenough said.
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kapnkirk — 14 years ago(July 11, 2011 05:35 AM)
Yeah Val still looks good though he could lose a little weight. I wonder how many 50 year old guys out there still even have their hair?
"No! Thats not true at all. Elvis takes fifty percent of everything I earn."
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PebblesReturns — 14 years ago(July 12, 2011 07:48 AM)
Exactly! You have to remember as well that MOST of these performers are completely enhanced. Especially the women who are phony as heck and when you see them up close you want to scream and run, or they look great but completely plastic. Look up "caught without makeup" and you will see a little of what I'm telling you. Quite a few of the men in the business do it as well just not quite as noticeable as the women if you get my drift?
I admire that Val chooses to be himself and not be a phony going to get work done everytime he gains a few pounds or finds a wrinkle. I suspect that there might be a health issue that is factoring in his weight as well which means people should be praying for the guy not insulting him and only get up from their computers to waddle into the kitchen for a soda and ding dongs.
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JesusLovesYou1991* — 12 months ago(April 08, 2025 07:07 PM)
Hi PebblesReturns, I know this is a long time after your comment, but I just wanted to thank you for your compassion and insight about Val
He was a really special man
I pray that he's in heaven and has his beautiful voice back
God bless you
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Tanaro_Fubine — 13 years ago(January 16, 2013 02:53 AM)
Being in your 50's is no excuse for being overweight. And when you have an actor who was a sex symbol type, when you see him that much heavier, you're going to think "wow he looks like crap". The same thing would be said of Tom Cruise if he gained that much weight. Kilmer had a great physique and he let it go to hell and that's a shame.
I'm 50 BTW if anyone wants to say "let's see how you look at 50". 32" waist and it takes work, I put on weight easily. People get fat in middle age because they get lazy and over indulgent. They're not just overweight, they're sickly. -
benmasta — 10 years ago(April 08, 2015 12:19 PM)
okay i think what people seem to keep forgetting when they get so defensive about people's comments on how bad he looks now, they are forgetting that he used to be a hearthrob one of the reasons being because of his fitness.
Since he used to be considered so good looking because he was in such good shape, people are less forgiving that he does not carry extra weight all that well (it shows on his face). Add to th5b4e fact that his somewhat slovenly looking style does not wear well on a fat old man either. Long hair just makes older men look like grimey bikers.
So basically a normal person wouldnt get as much flak but they dont deserve it. Val built his career on how he looked and now that he let his looks go, his popularity is gone with it. He is far from a bad actor, but he never tried all that hard to make a name for his acting skill rather than cashing in on his persona/looks.
I think he made the right choice for his career, but he shouldnt have let himself go so badly, it counters the picture of him that people have in their minds, and makes them want to turn away after the initial "shock" viewings lol. -
karoha5 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 02:38 AM)
What an insult Tanaro Fubine. Just because you can work out and lose weight does not mean anyone else can. I worked out everyday, swimming an Olympic sized pool for one and a half hours daily and rode my bike instead of driving anywhere and could not shed a pound. Why? Because I had cancer and had to have my thyroid removed. Don't go judging people when you know nothing about their medical history. It is people like you that make people feel ashamed even though they work out and try to keep to keep their weight down. What NERVE you have to insult overweight people.
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racroen — 14 years ago(July 12, 2011 01:31 AM)
He's always had small, slitty eyes. I think that when he was slim they made him look kind of wicked, but now that he's gotten heavy his little eyes make the rest of his face look even bigger.
If one could get fat eyes it might have all balanced out. -
PebblesReturns — 14 years ago(July 12, 2011 07:59 AM)
Oh, and I'm sure racroen that you are the essence of perfection without flaw. What does this have to do with his talent as an actor or who the man is? We are a messed up and shallow Country! He's not only a great performer, but from what I've seen a heck of a good man who does not set himself above others because of his fame. Very loving father as well. Let's worry about what matters. I am not privy to this information, but by the looks of him lately I DO suspect the possibility of a health problem making him have difficulties. Look at his face! Yes, he's gained weight, but that is SWELLING going on. I've seen that kind of problem in persons with diabetes, which would also explain weight gain. This is just a hunch.
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Heatherh1013 — 14 years ago(July 20, 2011 07:38 AM)
I agree. Val has been slowly swelling up for years. You could see the early signs of Cushing's syndrome in his abdomen in certain Top Gun scenes and it continues to progress. He is beginning to have more "moon face" characteristics and has to really be careful to maintain normal cortisol levels. Instead of criticizing him, we should all be praying for him! I know I do.
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beatbox76 — 14 years ago(July 20, 2011 08:58 AM)
I thought this was the case, but wasn't sure. I suspected he might be affiliated with the Cushing's Syndrome when I saw an interview of his a few months ago on Entertainment Tonight and he was wearing a yellow/blue lapel pin.
It's discouraging that he isnt more vocal about his illness, but I suppose that it's a delicate balancing act with to live with such a horrible disease and be such a public figure. -
lambimacfly — 14 years ago(July 12, 2011 02:46 PM)
Has anyone seen him in BAD LIEUTENANT, STREETS OF BLOOD or DOUBLE IDENTITY? These movies came out in 2010 and I thought that he looked very good in them. Trim and fit. That means that in about one year he gained a lot of weight.
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baxley — 13 years ago(October 16, 2012 05:38 AM)
I was watching an interv2000iew he gave recently and he said he gained weight for a part. But to put him down is just wrong. He's a human being just like the rest of us. He's putting on age, just like the rest of us. I'd like to see how some of you look when you get into your 50s.
Putting him down does not raise you up. And I am so glad he has not gone the way of the surgeon's knife and I hope he never goes that way.
I am a fan and have been one for a long time and plan on continuing to be one for some time. -
racroen — 14 years ago(July 12, 2011 05:21 PM)
In all seriousness (my first post to this thread was just intended to be funny whether it succeeded or not), I might deplore people saying truly cruel things about another human being myself, although I find it inevitable. Here's why:
- Like it or not, at least half of being an actor maybe more is the look of your "instrument," your body. Kathy Bates and Linda Hunt are enormously talented too, but they aren't going to be getting any roles that, say, Charlize Theron might fill.
Just to add to the unfairness of things, being gorgeous, Theron can go either way with it.
Monster
proved that. You can easily make a gorgeous person look worn out, but it's much harder to take a worn-out looking person and make them gorgeous. - Having been a guy who could pull off playing Jim Morrison, lesser mortals are inevitably going to be jealous. Kilmer is rich, he was handsome (he still looks better than the average schmuck on the street) and he had a youth that nobody writing on this thread can even imagine. People being what they are, that losers would shred Kilmer when he's lookin' kind of rough is a given. Even now, overweight, over the hill and possibly with a medical problem, his life is better than the best theirs will ever be and on some level, they know it.
- If the first two conditions didn't apply, Hollywood-as-we-know-it would not exist. The word "star" would just mean one of those pinpoints of light in the sky; actors would be actors, and that's it. We worship appearances, we have a love/hate relationship with what we perceive to be "royalty" (and everything about our entertainment industry encourages that perception), and we rip people apart and stomp on the bloody pieces when they're down.
It's a sick culture. Don't expect healthy attitudes to come out of it. This is the internet, where people can indulge their basest thoughts and feelings in complete anonymity.
- Like it or not, at least half of being an actor maybe more is the look of your "instrument," your body. Kathy Bates and Linda Hunt are enormously talented too, but they aren't going to be getting any roles that, say, Charlize Theron might fill.
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zerobeat — 14 years ago(July 14, 2011 08:21 AM)
Wait, I would think that he would have been in an even worse position had he made a 2nd Batman movie - those Schumacher films were some of the worst in the history of the universe. And Schumacher's 2nd one (with Clooney) was even worse than his first one (with Kilmer), so Kilmer dodged an even bigger bullet than he might have expected.
Batman Forever was awful. I don't blame Kilmer for this. But he would have been a complete idiot to trust being in the next one. I'm not sure what Clooney's excuse was, other than money or ignorance (either is OK by me). -
PebblesReturns — 14 years ago(July 15, 2011 04:44 AM)
racroen
I agree with most everything you said. I do not agree that Hollywood has been based on looks. It may be that it's getting that way but it's a sad reaction to that sick world you mentioned that going b68to the crapper. People are becoming more and more shallow and without conviction or morals. I look back to when I was growing up and the HUGE difference in family and values. Children growing up under the care of parents who taught values, morals, and responsibility. Now we have too many parents who can't teach their children these things because they haven't a clue what they are.
Case in point - Go to any store on any given day and you'll see a 13 yr old CHILD dressed like a street walker with tons of makeup and a push up silicone bra in an attempt to flop out what she don't have. Look to the side of her and you will usually see the mom who is an older, worn out version of the daughter and looks either fried on drugs or hungover. These 2 (other than what I already said) can usually be identified by the tons of tats covering their derelict bodies, multiple piercings, and the ever so attractive trailer park attitude and language.
Case in point 2 - We used to all love and admire many many great performers who were loved for their incredible talent and looks had NOTHING to do with it. Look at Lucille Ball in her older years, Jack Benny and more recent talents like Jack Nicholson, I could go on forever here on the amazing talent in performing arts from very physically unattractive men/women. Society has lost it's values so they do not value real talent. When people are going nuts after people like ICarly who have no talent and are an embarrassment to real professional - sad day for real talent. We are losing a dying breed and we have created monsters. Another 20 to 30 yrs the last of the real professionals will be gone so I would suggest everyone enjoy them now and appreciate the talent. When the most popular movies today promote drugs, filth, disrespect, and attitudes you would find at a run down trailer park, that should be scary.