To those insulting Val's looks
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racroen — 14 years ago(July 20, 2011 04:54 AM)
PebblesReturns:
"you just agreed with my original point"
I never disagreed with it. You just thought I was being snarky when I said his tiny eyes make the rest of his face look bigger, but really, I was just setting things up for the absurd idea of fat eyes.
Haley Joel Osment has the same tiny eye thing going, and the comments on his board are even meaner. He's an odd-looking man, but he also happens to be a very good actor.
He was an odd-looking kid too, but sometimes odd features work on a child. Clint Howard and Mason Reese come immediately to mind. They were funny looking kids too (Reese looked like a Cabbage Patch doll and still does), but cute in a weird sort of way. I don't think anyone would call them cute now.
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ricky1319 — 14 years ago(February 04, 2012 12:09 AM)
Has anyone seen him portray Jim Morrison? He was so good in that, that even the Doors band members had a hard time telling their voices apart. He portrayed Morrison perfect. Even though a lot of that stuff in the movie was false(wish it was directed by someone else).
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OrangeSlice84 — 14 years ago(July 15, 2011 01:32 AM)
It's ridiculous. Val is still better looking than the average joe I've seen on the streets everyday. But I do think he needs to shed a little weight though, just for the sake of his health.
either way, he's still handsome in my eyes.
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dracopticon — 14 years ago(July 19, 2011 09:26 AM)
Yes, yes! I totally agree that mr. Kilmer is one h*ll of an actor. Just take a look at the role he made eternal as Doc Holliday in Tombstone. That will forever be the pinnacle in his career IMHO. BUT: I do feel genuinly concerned for the guy. I hope so hard he gets a come back. He deserves it as much as anybody!
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frankstallone1 — 14 years ago(July 27, 2011 04:17 PM)
Forget Doc Hlliday, how about Nick Rivers and Chris Knight.
Please, I beg the people who are remaking Real Genius to stop right now. It is a crime against humanity, and no one will be able to pull it off like Kilmer. -
stfrancisofdeath — 14 years ago(August 31, 2011 04:13 PM)
I was JUST reading (and I'm scouring my history to find it) that Val is on prednisone. My old man was on prednisone and he developed that so-called "moonface" and retained it up until his death. Discussing one's appearance I don't see much harm in, he's a public figure and it's going to happen regardless. It's the cheap shots, name-calling and insults that can be hurtful. Hell, Alec Baldwin was once the epitome of heart-throb but has made his weight gain work for him and as a prior poster said (and I'm paraphrasing) "People age and that would include celebs and with age comes health issues, sometimes weight gain but in the end they are still the same thespians they were 20 yrs. ago that we fell in love with". Hell, now there's just a little more of them to love. -SFoD
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PebblesReturns — 14 years ago(September 01, 2011 01:57 PM)
Sorry that happened to your dad. I know that society needs to grow up and stop being so hateful. Someone having problems we should pray for and encourage them. To much hate and judgement! Nice comment stfrancisofdeath!
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lsevenl — 14 years ago(September 22, 2011 09:30 PM)
Lol, it's just a huge shock. I mean I still watch top gun and can't believe it. It's not his "looks" just his weight. And don't use age as a factor. My dad is in his 60's and weighs 68 kg. He's 5"9.I'm heavier than he is but only because I have more muscle. Age doesn't make you put on that much weight. You may excercise less and eat worse. Val does look quite unhealthy
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Doctor_Mabuse1 — 14 years ago(September 25, 2011 05:45 AM)
Despite the information being posted on this thread, there's a continuing ignorance of medical reasons for weight gain. Despite popular opinion, not all obesity is the result of overeating or lack of exercise. Countless illnesses and medication side-effects can cause gaining and maintaining such a disorder. Many of us will find this out for ourselves if we live long enough.
What's really ugly is disrespectful and bratty criticism and ridicule experienced by fat people. It's just easier and so much fun to judge and stereotype people as lazy, greedy slobs than to be caring and understanding. For all the talk of "health", our culture's only real issue with fatness is that vicious self-hatred finds it an eyesore.
Like it or not, even a public figure and performance artist such as Val Kilmer is not here for our pleasure. His value is not as a talent but as a Life.
Despite the militant PC anti-obesity drive of the present era, there have always been fat people and always will be. Furthermore, even if one drops out of the pressure of conformity and
chooses
to remain big, that is one's own concern and not ours.
For education on this important subject, see the following link:
http://www.naafaonline.com/dev2/index.html
Always remember: "What goes around comes around."
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Doctor_Mabuse1 — 14 years ago(September 25, 2011 11:32 AM)
A simple visit to
Wikpedia Free Encyclopedia
quickly supplies a starting point for understanding such a condition which Val Kilmer and others may be suffering.
I have supplied pertinent excerpts and suggest reading the Wikipedia page for an unedited treatment of the subject.
Here is the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushing's_syndrome
CUSHING'S SYNDROME
"Cushing's syndrome is a
hormone disorder
caused by high levels of
cortisol
in the blood. "
"Cushing's disease refers to one specific cause of the syndrome,
a tumorin the pituitary gland
thatelevates cortisol. It is the most common cause of Cushing's syndrome "
"Signs and Symptomsinclude
rapid weight gain
, particularly of the trunk and
face
with
(central
obesity)
. A common sign is the
growth of fat pads
along the collar bone and on the back of the neck (buffalo hump) and
a
round face
often referred to as a
'moon face'
."
"
The weight gain
in Cushing's syndrome stretches the skin, which is thin and weakened, causing it to hemorrhage. The excess cortisol may also affect other endocrine systems and cause, for example, insomnia, inhibited aromatase, reduced libido, impotenceand infertility due to elevations in androgens. Patients frequently suffer various psychological disturbances, ranging from euphoria to psychosis. Depression and anxiety are also common."
"Other signs includepersistent hypertension [high blood pressure]and insulin resistance, leading to hyperglycemia (high blood sugar) and insulin resistance which can lead to
diabetes
. Insulin resistance is accompanied by skin changes. Untreated Cushing's syndrome can lead to
heart disease and increased mortality
."
"
Cortisol is a stress hormone, so it depresses the immune and inflammatory responses Cortisol evokes a stress-like response
. Consequently, the body's maintenance becomes secondary to maintenance of the false stress response."
"There are several possible causes of Cushing's syndrome.
The most common cause of Cushing's syndrome is [steroid treatment] prescribed by a health care practitioner to treat other diseases
This can be an effect of steroid treatment of a variety of disorders such as asthma and rheumatoid arthritis."
"In adrenal Cushing's, excess cortisol is produced by adrenal gland tumors Cortisol is secreted by the cortex of the adrenal gland Strictly, Cushing's syndrome refers to excess cortisol"
"Most Cushing's syndrome cases are caused by steroid medications Consequently, most patients are effectively treated by carefully tapering off (and eventually stopping) the medication that causes the symptoms."
"If an adrenal adenoma is identified it may be removed by surgery. In those patients not suitable for or unwilling to undergo surgery, several drugs have been found to inhibit cortisol synthesisbut they are of limited efficacy."
"EpidemiologyIatrogenic Cushing's syndrome (caused by treatment with corticosteroids) is the most common form of Cushing's syndrome.
The incidence of pituitary tumors may be relatively high, as much as one in five people
, but only a minute fraction are active and produce excessive hormones."
"Adults with the disease may also have symptoms of
extreme weight gain, central obesity
, Cervical fat pads, high blood pressure, and skin problems. In addition, they may show muscle weakness, osteoporosis,
diabetes
, Glucose intolerance, Hyperglycemia, hypercholesterol, hypertension, moodiness, irritability, depression, sleep disturbances, baldness and decreased fertility in men."
Conclusion: Get an education before shooting off your big fat mouths.
Doctor Mabuse, Evil Genius, King of Crime -
mts_tel — 14 years ago(September 26, 2011 09:51 AM)
Agreed, he is one hell of an actor, but maybe, just maybe he could take a little better care of himself. I am 46 and still weigh the same I did in high school. And I think most people hold stars up to a higher standard. He would probably get more rolls if he was just in a little better shape. But no this does not take away from his acting talent.
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Guitarchic33 — 14 years ago(October 04, 2011 01:30 PM)
"maybe, just maybe he could take a little better care of himself"
He may actually have a health disorder that's causing his issues with weight.
Maybe you should read the earlier posts in this thread before making personal attacks on someone's physical appearance.