Where does he get off trashing comic books?
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franzkabuki — 13 years ago(February 13, 2013 03:01 PM)
All this study in "dwarfism" seems to be founded on some unsupported premise that Cronenberg "has crafted some very ridiculous films" which is not really true (and, for that matter, I dont think even Nolan has made stuff that would quite qualify as such. Plus his Batman fare is being taken seriously enough by a lot more folk than it necessarily deserves - its not like Cronenberg is maliciously having a go at some poor little outsider). Not to mention the whole charge of "hypocrisy" hinges on this same strange assumption that Cronenberg should somehow himself recognize hes made these "very ridiculous films".
Also - as argued elsewhere - I dont think he meant to make some blanket statements about all comic book movies being unworthy by default.
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MrBook_ — 13 years ago(February 21, 2013 10:20 AM)
It's always funny watching comic book nerds get worked up over anyone saying anything remotely critical of comic books. (Ditto with video game nerds, etc.) Listen, if you have that bad an inferiority complex about what you read, maybe you should read better stuff.
For the record, I read comic books myself, but I also read other stuff (including, you know, GOOD comic books, sans guys in tights), and I don't have my whole identity tied up in what crappy mass-market shlock I consume. You guys should try it!
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Multidirectional — 13 years ago(February 22, 2013 02:08 AM)
What's also funny is that a lot of these dumb nerds obviously haven't even read the said interview and blow this stuff way out of proportion. It's the interviewer who said that Nolan's Batman films elevated superhero genre into a higher art category, with which Cronenberg simply disagreed. And he was right to do so, Nolan's films haven't elevated anything, even though I still prefer them to older Batman movies. In the end though they still adhere to old established cliches, especially the last part of the trilogy. And superhero comics are the kid's stuff, face 1c84it. It's ok if you enjoy them as a grownup, but pretending they're something other than that just makes you dumb. Hell, I enjoy a lot of really juvenile videogames but I don't go around pretending they're some high art. I don't need to, because I'm not some insecure dumbf^ck, I completely embrace the concept of "dumb fun".
And now these morons go around the internet creating fake "Cronenberg vs Nolan/comic books" battles. Good job, you're certainly helping your cause a lot. -
MrBook_ — 13 years ago(February 28, 2013 10:51 AM)
What the beep are you talking about? Comic Books are a medium, not an individual piece of work.
There's nothing in my post to indicate I think otherwise, and in fact it should be pretty clear that I
don't
think otherwise from my comment about good, non-superhero comics.
Anyway, Cronenberg was clearly talking about corporate superhero comics and other crappy, commercial geek-consumer swill, as are all the people going into conniptions over him said something vaguely critical about their awful taste in art and entertainment.
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rupertpupkin702 — 13 years ago(March 02, 2013 03:27 PM)
I would disagree with you completely. The super hero genre has produced some of the best work that has been done in the comic book industry, Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, Brad Meltzer's Identity Crisis, etc. are all powerful works of art.
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LifeVsArt — 11 years ago(January 10, 2015 10:48 AM)
It's always funny watching comic book nerds get worked up over anyone saying anything remotely critical of comic books. (Ditto with vid5b4eo game nerds, etc.) Listen, if you have that bad an inferiority complex about what you read, maybe you should read better stuff.
I don't have any problem with comic book/superhero/video game stuff either, except when it's marketed as being something that it isn't, as what Cronenberg calls "elevated art". It's similar to all the young adult novels that have increasingly been marketed to a non-juvenile audience by being presented as something more than they actually are, as something that's now "cool" for adults to read. IMO it's "cool" to read anything that brings you pleasure, whether it's "Madame Bovary" or "Hunger Games" or "Twilight", but let's not pretend that they're artistically equals. In other words, let's not diminish the great accomplishments of brilliant artists throughout history by putting everything on the same level - sure, the juvenile stuff is easier to digest by more people so it makes more money, but that's big money and business setting the standards.
I think the incredibly over-sensitive reaction by the "comic book nerds" (as you call them) is based on brand identification. These franchises, and companies like Marvel, have marketed successfully to a large number of people who get a personal sense of identity from the brand itself (reinforced by a group of others who also identify with the brand) - they feel a connection to this group and a sense of power - they ARE powerful when 2000moved as a mass to produce large box office returns, sell video games, etc. This goes way back in the history of comic books, when one was an E.C. Fan-Addict, for example, and loyalty to that company was cleverly marketed and reinforced to sell a lot of different products. Anyway, I think it's wonderful that people get pleasure from entertainment (that's what it's for), but it's also important that some people have the guts to say out loud what a lot of other artists, and lovers of the arts, say to each other - that everything is NOT equal.