The one sad thing about Star TNG cast…
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FlexKavana — 19 years ago(October 05, 2006 12:30 AM)
Yea the casting was just so perfect. This is really a show that I wish would have lasted for ever with the same cast, can you imagine how different things would be in the TNG world if they were still on air right now??
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tridentseven — 19 years ago(October 05, 2006 05:53 PM)
tng is my least favorite star trek series because of that. too perfect and made the most of the character boring and 2-dimensional. data was the only one that i actually liked because he strived for something which made him more believable then others. every other character were like a big happy family with no conflict what so ever = boring
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standfan — 18 years ago(June 09, 2007 09:31 PM)
I would agree with you, only in the sense that Dorn's greatest role seems to be Worf, period. I don't think any performance he's ever done in his entire career gets anywhere near as good as Worf.
I don't agree with you, however, when it comes to Frakes and Sirtis, and perhaps McFadden. All three to me are really more or less b-list acting talent. Frakes did an exceptional job with Riker in the first season, in subsuquent years his performances slid hard (some of that was not the fault of Frakes, to be fair). Sirtis to me seems to have one really great performance in one episode, and then another would show her limited range. McFadden is much the same.
This is not really to slam the actors on a real core personal level - I'm sure they're all terrific people in person, but a great chunk of the acting talent on TNG doesn't really get anywhere near to being the greatest ever.
You do make a good point that TNG was well
cast
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Airwolf-4 — 18 years ago(July 17, 2007 07:34 AM)
Acting is such a fickle thing.
You do poorly, nobody can think of a new role for you, and you never work again.
You do well, and you'll land your next job.
You do amazing, everyone thinks of you as that character, nobody can think of a new role for you, and you never work again.
The only one that I've seen that's broken out of this mold is Harrison Ford. He's had so many characters in sequels (Solo, Jones, Ryan) that no one seems to associate him to just one.
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standfan — 18 years ago(August 06, 2007 07:49 PM)
I think some great actors are never able to escape certain characters, but they are able to go on to great careers (and be recongised for additional roles) afterwards. Harrison Ford is far from the only great actor to be recognised for more than one role.
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The_Sisk0 — 18 years ago(September 30, 2007 10:28 PM)
The TNG characters were SO bland and SO boring I'm embarrassed half the time I watch the show. Picard and Worf stand out as fantastic characters, Data follows as well. DS9 on the other hand had a fantastic cast of characters and actors who had such chemistry from scene to scene, you can tell these people were real people. Every character on that show had their own seperate relationship with everyone else and all came together as the finest cast around. Worf fit right in there.
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standfan — 18 years ago(October 16, 2007 09:56 PM)
Worf turned into a whiny little b#@* on DS9. First of all, he shows up to the station, complaining to Sisko that he wants to leave Starfleet because, of all reasons, the ENT-D has
been destroyed
? When I saw the opener for the fourth season, I almost couldn't even believe that this was the same character. Worf on TNG threatened and even at one point actually left Starfleet, but it was for legitimate reasons. Hearing him complain that things "aren't the same anymore" (or words to that effect) because the ENT-D was gone in retrospect was a really bad omen that carried with him throughout the rest of the seasons. As his time went on, the only time he wasn't complaining or moaning is the occasional moment when Dax managed to distract him or engage him physically or mentally into doing something else. Oh, and then the only other point is when Worf finally did something about Gowron.
I
despised
Worf on DS9. I thought that they took a character that at least had some degree of dimension and then intentionally (and artificially) "darkened" him for DS9. Worf was already, before DS9, "dark" enough. TNG (very rightly) went out of its way to bring humor to the character, in order to balance out Worf's "baseline" disposition. With DS9, though, the end result turned him into someone who complained constantly.
I admit that there were some characters on DS9 that were interesting, but in terms of real
chemistry
, no. About the only exceptions to this were the relaxed, believable interactions between Sisko and his son, and perhaps the amusing (and interesting) relationship between Bashir and Garak. I think a lot of the other interpersonal relationships between characters were forced, awkward, ect. The real strength to DS9 were the stories, not the characters, and DS9's desire to explore territory that TNG and VOY wouldn't. -
Vrian Sinth — 17 years ago(February 22, 2009 02:52 PM)
DS9 was seriously lacking in depth. I have a hard time even staying awake through an entire show. Did they have entirely different writers on DS9 than TNG? The writing on TNG was so much more enjoyable, of course a lot of that could have been the acting. I just finished watching all 7 seasons of TNG and have since "tried" to watch DS9. I can't do it. It is too painful.
Voyager, albeit not as good as TNG, at least was more enjoyable than DS9. I even enjoyed Enterprise more, as long as they weren't beating the Xindi storyline like a dead horse.
I guess in the end DS9 just seamed like a glorified soap opera in space, where TNG had a start and an end with every episode, which I really enjoyed. -
Wannie_The_Sane — 17 years ago(April 03, 2009 08:36 AM)
I think you are both right and wrong. DS9 wasn't lacking in depth, it was full of it. What I mean is that on DS9 the storylines went on for entire seasons, and so the plot and characters had real depth because, unlike TNG or ENT or VOY, they didn't get to ride off into the sunset at the end of each episode; if they made a mess, they still had to deal with it the next week.
"I guess in the end DS9 just seamed like a glorified soap opera in space, where TNG had a start and an end with every episode, which I really enjoyed."
Exactly. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE TNG, but it is very much just a series of independent stories, with character growth only happening for a very few characters (Picard, Data and maybe Worf). But in DS9 it was like a soap opera (there actually is a term for this in sci fi: space opera) so it had a lot more character development, and imo more depth.
I was shocked and a little upset after buying and watching DS9 to realize that I might actually like it more than TNG.
Anyway, this cake is great. It's so delicious and moist.