Haim. Not his so-called "friend," Corey Feldman:
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kaydie-fee — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 03:10 AM)
She's got a point - I tend to think it's true but is there a direct quote from Corey H saying something happened on the set of Lucas? Or is it all Feldman's word? Corey did a couple of other movies before Lucas
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Lets_talk_about_that — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 05:55 AM)
This is NOT a revelation.
Corey Feldman was very open in his book about the relationship with Brascia ("overweight actor from Friday the 13th Part whatever") and his part in bringing them together, and how that was what was topic of the confontation on The Two Coreys. so I don't know why this Facebook post guy is acting like he's making some huge announcement that will blow people's socks off.
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Clusium — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 07:09 AM)
He gave Brascia a pseudonym in his book though.
Besides that, he WAS FRIENDS with the guy, knowing what he did to Haim, & brought him to the set of a movie, which he was going to include Haim in the cast.
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Lets_talk_about_that — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 04:28 PM)
He gave Brascia a pseudonym in his book though.
Besides that, he WAS FRIENDS with the guy, knowing what he did to Haim, & brought him to the set of a movie, which he was going to include Haim in the cast.
AFAIK, back in the day they all hung out together and Haim was a willing participant in all this stuff when he was a teenager, he was not forcibly raped. If Feldman hadn't spoken to Haim in a good many years, how would he have known that Haim despised the guy, when they'd all hung out together and had fun times when younger?
I doubt Feldman brought the guy there to antagonize Haim or to cause a scene.
There are several sides to any story. We're only getting ONE side of things when we read this Facebook post, or read Feldman's book, or hear Haim say he was "raped" and "poor me, I was just a horny little kid surrounded by vampires." The truth is, Haim was a teenager at the time and he willfully engaged in these acts. If he didn't want to do it, then just say "Not interested. Seriously."
Young girls learn to fend off older males from the time they're 12 or 13 yrs old, and young boys in Hollywood need to learn to do the same thing. Tell the pursuer "Leave me alone. Back off." and generally, he will.
There's a lot of "Oh my gosh, poor Corey Haim, he was so preyed upon" going on. He was not forcibly raped. If he didn't feel comfortable, he only had to walk away. Sorry. Just trying to keep it real. -
Clusium — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 06:01 PM)
If he didn't want to do it, then just say "Not interested. Seriously."
If you think simply saying "Not interested. Seriously." is going to make sexual predator back down, I have swamp land in Florida you might be interested buying. Yes, I know you've mentioned before that you yourself have been a victim of sexual molestation. I'm sorry for your past experiences. However, I've been a victim of sexual harassment myself too. Pervs do not simply take "not interested, seriously." The perps in Hollywood would have had an influence on these young people getting parts in the big & small screens. "Not interested. Seriously." would have only been the sweet kiss goodbye to any further roles.
Now some people reading this point might object with "So? Why not just give upon Hollywood altogether? It's not worth the loss of one's dignity like that." When one considers how big an opportunity it was(& still is) to make it big in Hollywood& people in Hollywood usually come from other parts of the US, or as in Corey's case, all the way from Ontario Canada (& even other parts of the world), just walking out like that & returning home, would come across as a colossal failure. The kids can come home in disgrace & defeat, & be abused as a loser, etc.
Regarding:
Young girls learn to fend off older males from the time they're 12 or 13 yrs old, and young boys in Hollywood need to learn to do the same thing.
Back when I was around 12 or 13 years old(which was right around the time I knew Corey), any adult male whom I perceived as coming onto me, intimidated the
HELL
out of me. For boys around the same age: if an adult female comes onto them, they have a tendency to think they are scoring big time!!! But, when it comes to an adult male, the reaction is the exactly the same as a girl's. Admittedly, this double standard on a boy's part could probably stem from homophobia. But, keep in mind that social acceptance & tolerance of homosexuality is a very new thing(only about 20 years or so). So when they have become abused by an adult male, they feel ashamed, betrayed, guilt-ridden, etc. So, they keep it bottled up. They do not want people to think they are Gay, etc.
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Lets_talk_about_that — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 06:50 PM)
Congrats, that's the most thoughtful post I've ever seen from you. Some very good points here. I'll just address a few things.
If you think simply saying "Not interested. Seriously." is going to make sexual predator back down, I have swamp land in Florida you might be interested buying. Pervs do not simply take "not interested, seriously."
You can't paint all "pervs" with the same brush. Many - perhaps the majority - of males seem to be attracted to youth, and yet a very small percentage of these people would violently force themselves on a young person sexually (forcibly rape them). If a person is hitting on you and you don't like it, make it clear that you're not interested. All kids need to be be empowered to do that, not to simply be docile and "go with the flow" sexually. Kids need to be taught to be assertive and to say "Stop it."
Obviously, there are power dynamics at play in Hollywood, in the same way there are power differentials between, say, a student and teacher, which makes it problematic in terms of consent. However, let's think about Corey Haim specifically. The fat guy from Friday the 13th was not powerful and was nowhere near as successful as Haim. If Haim was uncomfortable, he should have said NO, and eventually he did when the guy's infatuation became too intense (and so did Haim's mother, apparently). With regard to Marty Weiss, he did not manage Haim, but Haim was trying to fool around with Feldman, Feldman wasn't having it, so Feldman called Weiss and Haim enthusiastically entered into a sexual relationship with him. There were no "casting couch" career dynamics here.
I'm just saying, in our culture we tend to see a beloved actor whose gone downhill and because we like that person, we perceive them as the underdog who was powerless against a tide of forces out of his control, and that's why his life sucked: because he was a perpetual victim. Instead of seeing that this person - likeable though he may be - made very poor choices and the trajectory of his life reflected that.
If you can't tell, I'm all about being assertive and empowered. Haim was never forcibly raped, he always allowed or even sought out these sexual encounters. For me personally, it is hard to see him as a victim (although I don't like that he was left out of the In Memoriam tribute of the Oscars or whatever. That's not cool.) -
Clusium — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 08:52 PM)
Congrats, that's the most thoughtful I've seen from you.
Thank you.
Some good points here. I'l just address a few things.
Thank you, again.
When I say "pervs," I refer to actual perpetrators of the actual sex offence. Not people who suffer from those urges, but, maintain control, as they know that kind of sexual intimacy between an adult & youngster is psychologically damaging for the latter.
As I mentioned in my previous post, often times, being assertive when receiving unwanted sexual attention is not enough. Far from it in fact. Sexual abuse, assault, &/or harassment is all about power. The perps usually know if the other person is not interested, but, go ahead with what they are doing anyway. I speak from experience here. When I received unwanted sexual attention in the past, I made it quite clear I wasn't interested, but, they persisted anyway.
Regarding Dominic Brascia: he may not have been as successful as Haim or even Feldman, but, that doesn't mean he wasn't
physically stronger
than Haim. Certainly, the added weight he had might have been an advantage to him to overpower Haim.
Only Feldman claimed that Haim hit on him, in his book
Coreyography
, a book which the Haims & Corey's actual friend Greg Harrison,vehemently say is "full of lies."However, let's put that claim on hold for the time being. Feldman said that Haim hit on him after, being sodomized on the set of
Lucas
, by an adult male working on the movie, who told him "it was what all guys in the industry do together." Basically, this perp was trying to assure Haim that such relationships are absolutely normal in Hollywood. That, according to Feldman, was why he didn't get offended when Haim suggested it to him. But, he made it clear, that "No, that's
not
what everyone does." In telling Haim this, he revealed to him, that he had been majorly taken advantage of!!!! But then, what does Feldman do, introduce him to
other
perps, such as Weiss, Brascia, etc. In doing this, he technically contradicted himself, when he told Haim "no, that's NOT what we all do!!!" The last thing a sexually abused kid needs is to be introduced to further pervs!!!
Yes, in our culture we tend to see beloved actors who have gone downhill as being tragic. However, in cases when people actually knew said tragic actor, it gets
quite personal
. Back in high school, people used to talk about where we all knew Corey from (i.e.: school, hockey, etc). We were all very proud to know somebody who moved to Hollywood & became a big movie star. Then when Core1ebcy died 6 years ago, the atmosphere on FB, & a couple other online sites was very sombre amongst posters who all knew Haim before he became famous. We all felt something, when he passed. Think of what the atmosphere is like among high schoolers, when a fellow student has been killed in a car accident, or something along those lines. When it was revealed after he died that someone important in Hollywood raped Corey, things again, got very personal. We were like: "What?!?!? Someone in Hollywood dared to rape our Corey?!?! How dare he!!!!"
So, you see, I take the stories about Corey's sexual abuse very personally(as all the people who knew him before Hollywood). If I came across as rude or unnecessarily aggressive in anyway on this forum in anyway, I apologize. It was not my intention to do so. I just just take the case far too seriously to jump to easily the conclusion that it was Sheen, like so many others online have done so.
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Lets_talk_about_that — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 10:36 AM)
I can certainly see your points, and I agree with much of what you say, actually. I just get exasperated by the whole "poor victimized Corey Haim, drugged and passed around Hollywood. So bad, so sad." spiel.
Haim as a teenager wanted to party and he wanted to screw, and he did both quite indiscriminately, while many other child actors refrained from going down that path to the extent that Haim did. This stuff was not just revealed years later - everyone knew about it back in the 80s: that Corey Haim was heavy into drugs/partying and was a wild child. When I was 11-12 yrs old in the late 80s, I used to read about his problems in 16 Magazine, Bop, Tean BeatHe spoke openly in interviews about how he'd gone down the wrong path into drugs and partying and was trying to get his act together because no one would hire him anymore. Those were his decisions to partake and to enter into sexual relationships with people, and he paid the price for that emotionally, physically, career-wise, etc. He chose to do those things, but years later, he and Feldman (Feldman especially) would start blaming everyone but themselves for acting so wild and reckless.
But again, I understand your points. And I do think it was unfortunate that Haim chose to have a sexual relationship with an older male on the set of Lucas, it would have been physically very painful and emotionally confusing for a young teen. -
Clusium — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 01:12 PM)
Yes, Haim wanted to party, screw, etc., Which teen doesn't? Teenagers just
love
living on the wild side. And I can only imagine being a Hollywood celebrity, with all its perks (the fame; the money; etc) it was even
more so
. I also followed Haim's story in the teen magazines (for obvious reason), as well as some of the other teen heartthrobs, especially Kirk Cameron (my huge heartthrob, back in the day).
It should be noted that so many teen stars who cannot make the change into adult celebrity often do end up screwed up. For the longest time, it was thought that it was the very fact that they became "has-beens," they became emotionally screwed. But, now it looks like their post Hollywood-meltdowns are the result of the price they all paid to even become big names in the industry, at such a young age, may account for they became later in life: because of the sexual abuse they endured, & then left in in the dirt by the very people who messed around with them when they were kids.
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DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 01:23 PM)
And I do think it was unfortunate that Haim chose to have a sexual relationship with an older male on the set of Lucas
I think that's the problem. Haim at the age that he was shouldn't even be "choosing" to engage in sexual relationships with adults. He is neither physically, mentally or emotionally developed enough to be making such judgments at that point. The whole issue revolves around consent, loose morality, abuse of power, being taken advantage of, etc, in a highly competitive industry where large amounts of people are all vying for a tiny amount of available positions.
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TMC-4 — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 03:15 PM)
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Clusium — 9 years ago(September 22, 2016 04:05 PM)
Yes, I have seen Dominic Brascia vehemently deny the accusations online, however, the person who finally came out & publicly named him
IS AN ACTUAL FRIEND OF COREY HAIM'S, & OF HIS MOTHER JUDY.
This person has had it up to
HERE,
with Feldman constantly bringing up Haim's molestation in order to keep himself relevant.
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Clusium — 9 years ago(September 24, 2016 03:08 PM)
to make matters even more confusing, I'm sure Brascia is one of the sources who's outing the A-luster to radar online
That's one of the main reasons Greg Harrison finally decided to out him. When he found an old gossip website article discussing Haim's abuse, & Brascia the key source, he completely blew a cork.
Who are you? Who? Who? Who? Who?