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Clusium — 12 years ago(November 24, 2013 09:03 AM)
I really do not believe that it was Charlie Sheen, because Charlie Sheen is heterosexual. If Sheen was gay or bi, we would have all known about it, along time ago(not that he was the one who abused Haim per se, but, if his door "swung that way").
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Lets_talk_about_that — 12 years ago(November 24, 2013 10:09 AM)
Here are my thoughts:
I don't think it has anything to do with being gay or straight - older straight boys mess around with younger adolescent boys all the time, it's just about getting off, not about sexual orientation. I believe it was most likely Charlie Sheen who sexualized Haim, not because he is a gay man but because he was a sex addict and a sexual opportunist.
Sheen was only 6 years older than Corey and Corey undoubtedly looked up to Sheen. The attacker told Corey that this is what "guys do," and then later on, Corey seeks to have the same type of sex-play with Feldman - not because it'll get him a movie role - but just because he's horny and is trying to emulate his abuser's behavior, according to Feldman's book.
Now, would Haim really seek to copy his abuser's behavior and tell Feldman that the abuser said it's "what guys do" if it had been some middle-aged producer who had done it? No. Obviously, Haim thought he was emulating the behavior of someone he admired, like all 14 year olds do. The person had been a male peer, someone Haim & Feldman as young teens would have looked up to and sought to be like.
Charlie Sheen who was young, handsome, and got lots of attention from girls, but as a sex-addict he likely also had no qualms about screwing around with an enthusiastic, nubile young boy if that was all that was available for erotic pleasure on that day. Haim is presented as exhibiting a similar type of sexual opportunism. It's pretty common behavior for people who are highly sexual to "take whatever is available" in the moment, especially when they are younger and their judgment is clouded by drugs/alcohol. Charlie Sheen was only 19 at the time.
It also explains why Feldman is so reluctant to come right out and name the person, because Charlie Sheen is widely known to be one scary, erratic, and violent dude.
Also, note that in Feldman's book he said it happened "during a lunch break for the cast & crew." So the person would most likely have been either a cast member or a crew member on the film.
I think that these things, along with Feldman's comments about Sheen that I posted in my OP above, make Sheen the most likely candidate for the person who had sex with Corey when he was 14 on the set of Lucas.
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Clusium — 12 years ago(November 24, 2013 06:34 PM)
Well, I still do not believe that it was Sheen. I believe it was a crew member, & not a cast member who did this to Haim.
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Clusium — 12 years ago(December 07, 2013 07:57 PM)
Charlie Sheen may be a successful movie/television star, but, I wouldn't exactly call him a Hollywood mogul(his father, yes; him, no). Besides that, he's not into guys. If he was, we would have all known about it, long before now.
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Clusium — 12 years ago(December 09, 2013 02:49 PM)
Splashen, it's people like you who are the reason why so many victims of molestation are afraid to come forward.
What for?!?! Because I personally do not believe that Sheen was the perpetrator???
a)You guys are just throwing names around. Nobody came out & specifically said who the hell it was, & even if they did, people are to be presumed innocent until proven guilty by a judge & jury.
b)I believe that who ever the perpetrator was, it was someone who worked behind the scenes(a movie writer or director, or someone like that). Not a fellow movie star(at least, that is the impression that I got & continue to get, whenever I read about what happened to Haim & Feldman.
c)Why would I want to protect the perpetrator, anyway? FYI, I knew Corey Haim before he became famous. I went to elementary school with him, in the Greater Toronto Area, before he moved to Hollywood to become a big movie star. Therefore, I have no reason to protect anybody who might have hurt Corey.
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Lets_talk_about_that — 12 years ago(December 09, 2013 03:21 PM)
All the throwing around of names is just talk, like people do in the streets. No one is pronouncing any5b4one GUILTY and throwing them in jail or lynching them for sexual abuse of a minor. There is nothing wrong with discussing the possibilities and researching and trying to figure out who perpetrated these acts based on the hints that are given. I feel like I have presented quite good information in this thread suggesting that it could certainly be Charlie Sheen who committed this act in his younger years. And yet you, Splashen, seem to have some vested interest in shooting down Sheen as the one who abused Haim on the set of Lucas. Simply because Sheen is not known to be gay.
But Sheen is known to be sexually adventurous and even twisted, deeply troubled, and his ex wife said he did look at youngsters online. And I've found several other mentions on message boards by posters saying "I had heard for years that Sheen sexually abused Haim on Lucas." There really have been rumors circulating for years before Feldman's book that Sheen raped Corey Haim on the set of Lucas. And back in 2008 when Corey apparently made the statement that his abuser IS or WAS 42 years old, Sheen just happened to be 42 years old at the time.
I just think your repeated insistence that it's not Charlie Sheen to be a bit dogmatic and naive.
Anyway, moving onThe guy that Corey was talking about on The Two Coreys, when he accused Feldman of letting it happen, was Dominick Brascia, who Feldman calls "Tony Burnham" in his book.16d0 Dominick Brascia was the fat guy in Friday the 13th movie who Feldman introduced Haim to when Haim was begging for someone to suck his dick. Haim entered into these acts voluntarily but obviously later on he started to feel uncomfortable and resent that it happened and started to feel victimized due to the guy being quite a few years older.
And of course the other guy was Martin Weiss, who Feldman names in his book, and who was arrested a couple years ago for this very type of thing.
So the only unknown perpetrator now is the guy on the set of Lucas, which I say was most likely Charlie Sheen (but I could certainly be wrong about that.)
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Clusium — 12 years ago(December 09, 2013 05:17 PM)
And yet you, Splashen, seem to have some vested interest in shooting down Sheen as the one who abused him on the set of Lucas. Simply because Sheen is not known to be gay.
It's not that I have some "vested interest," it's that Sheen just doesn't strike me as the one who was the perpetrator, & yes, the fact that he's NOT known to be gay is one major reason why. If Sheen had been the one who messed with Corey, how come he never became linked up with any other guy? They do not just go for one person of the same gender, & then return to being straight. He would have had other gay relationships too, which we would have heard of by now(even without hearing about Corey).
Sheen definitely has his issues, but, all his loves & marriages have been with WOMEN. Not men. I got the impression when they said that the perpetrator was 42 years old, that he was 42 at the time of the assault.
And, as I previously mentioned, when I think of a "Hollywood Mogul," I think of a producer or a director. Not a fellow actor. The only reason Charlie Sheen has still been successful thus far in his life, is because he
COMES
from an acting family, & his FATHER is pretty big in Hollywood(I can see Martin Sheen being described as a mogul, but Charlie or Emilio, not so much). Had he not, who knows if he still would be still big as he is, right now.
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Lets_talk_about_that — 12 years ago(December 09, 2013 06:52 PM)
Okay but the list of possible suspects for the perpetrator is pretty short. Let's seeCharlie Sheen, David Nicksay (Lucas producer), David Seltzer (Lucas director), David Geffen
David Nicksay was 42 at the time and a producer on Lucas. But he also has/had a wife named Heather and a daughter born in 1988 named Lily Nicksay who is an actress. If he's married with a kid, he's probably not gay.
David Seltzer was director of Lucasbut he was not 42 at the time.
David Geffen was 42 at the time, known to be gay, but not affiliated with Lucas AFAIK. He also perfectly fits the characterization of a mogul, extremely successsful, making money hand over fist. However he is also known to be a very charitable and is not rumored to be a pedophile or abuser of any kind.
So? In this list of the most likely suspects, Charlie Sheen seems like the most likely suspect for the reasons I laid out in my previous posts. I could definitely be wrong, but I think he's the most likely person.
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Lets_talk_about_that — 12 years ago(December 09, 2013 10:18 PM)
& yes, the fact that he's NOT known to be gay is one major reason why. If Sheen had been the one who messed with Corey, how come he never became linked up with any other guy? They do not just go for one person of the same gender, & then return to being straight. He would have had other gay relationships too, which we would have heard of by now(even without hearing about Corey).
"Other sites visited by Sheen, Richards alleges, involved "gay pornography also involving very young men who also did not look like adults."
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Clusium — 12 years ago(December 10, 2013 07:11 AM)
Okay. There's evidence that he's bi. He may be considered a possible suspect in the Corey Haim case.
That said, what Corey Feldman said about Sheen doesn't necessarily indicate that he was Haim's molester. Just that he(Feldman) doesn't like him.
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Lets_talk_about_that — 12 years ago(December 10, 2013 03:38 PM)
what Corey Feldman said about Sheen doesn't necessarily indicate that he was Haim's molester. Just that he(Feldman) doesn't like him.
Not true! In Feldman's quote, Feldman specifically indicated that the reason he doesn't care for Sheen is because ealy on in their careers, Sheen was responsible for something that was damaging to Corey Haim, something that Haim tried all his life to get over. That's pretty significant
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Clusium — 12 years ago(December 10, 2013 08:40 PM)
This is what Feldman said:
"Well, I have to be honest and say, I'm not a huge fan of Charlie Sheen. I don't make it my goal to ever talk badly to the press, we're all in it together, that's the way I look at it, but Charlie in particular, especially the way he affected other people I know point blank, Charlie & Corey (Haim) started their careers pretty much together, & Corey (Haim) fought his entire life to recover from those early experiences & to get his life together."
Sounds more like to me, he was deploring the fact that Sheen has screwed himself up more than CH did, & yet Sheen still has a successful acting career, whereas Hollywood threw CH under the bus, when they were no longer interested in him.
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Lets_talk_about_that — 12 years ago(December 10, 2013 09:56 PM)
It's true that the context of the interview and quote was the issue of Corey Haim being snubbed at the Oscars. However it seems like you are missing the nuance of what he's saying, although I agree with you that the quote is a bit ambiguous.
Feldman says about Sheen, "the way he's affected other people I know" and then Feldman basically says Screw it and starts speaking more openly: He names Corey Haim, and how Sheen and Haim started their careers together (i.e. on Lucas) and states that Haim "fought his entire life
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It certainly sounds to me like he is
tying
Sheen into "those early experiences" that Haim fought so hard to recover from. He is not just comparing and contrasting Haim & Sheen's respective careers. He specifically said "the way he (Sheen) affected other people I know," then ties the statement to Corey Haim.
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Clusium — 12 years ago(December 11, 2013 06:02 AM)
He specifically said the "the way he (Sheen) af1c84fected other people I know,"
Whether or not Sheen was Haim's abuser, he is definitely no angel. He has been arrested time & time again, for drugs, beating up his wives, etc. We all know by now that Haim was sexually abused by someone in the film industry, & Feldman was making the point that it has taken all this time overcome what had happened to him, & how Hollywood just let him go after making so many movies for them.
By contrast, Charlie Sheen(through the advantage of being the son of a very huge Hollywood personality), has had a very successful career in both TV & movies right down this very day. This despite the kind of crap he causes other people.
Actually, Corey Feldman made a mistake there, when he said that both Sheen & Haim started the careers together. Sheen had been doing movies for a few years, by the time Haim moved from the GTA to Hollywood.
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Lets_talk_about_that — 12 years ago(December 11, 2013 01:40 PM)
(1) But if the quote was simply Feldman comparing Charlie Sheen's career trajectory to Haim's i.e. "Charlie Sheen and Corey were both really messed up but look how Charlie Sheen is still super successful while Corey Haim was blacklisted,"well that doesn't explain the fact that Feldman has a strong dislike Sheen. A neutral person would be happy for Sheen that he has managed to be a success despite his inner struggles.
Feldman specifically says he has a problem with Sheen because of how Sheen has affected people he knows, then he immediately qualifies that statement by naming Corey Haim.
So the question is: What did Sheen do that Feldman feels "affected" Haim?
(2) Martin Sheen was never a HUGE actor, I don't know why you seem to think that.
(3) Sheen had been in movies before 1986, and so had Haim, but 1986 was indeed when both of their careers started to take off and they started to become really successful & famous.
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Clusium — 12 years ago(December 11, 2013 07:53 PM)
Feldman doesn't list Haim as being one of the people affected by Sheen. He only sites Haim to point out that they both started their careers around the same time.
Maybe he(Feldman) & Sheen just never got along. Besides that, on the show
The Two Coreys
, Haim accused Feldman of being friends with his molester. That quote from Feldman's book does not sound like they were friends.
Yes, Martin Sheen IS a huge & widely respected actor, with a resume going all the way back to5b4 the '60s.
Sheen had started being in films in the early '70s. Haim was in a Canadian TV show called
The Edison Twins
, in the early 80s, & then when he went to Hollywood, he was in
Silver Bullet
, &
First Born
, in 1984.
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Lets_talk_about_that — 12 years ago(December 11, 2013 08:14 PM)
Okay, where to beginLOL
First of all, you obviously have not read Feldman's book. Feldman lists THREE different men who had sex with Haim when he was a young teen. The first was the unnamed person on the set of Lucas whom Haim allowed to sodomize him. The second was talent agent Marty Weiss. And the third was "Tony Burnham"/Dominick Brascia. Both of the latter occurred around the time of making Lost Boys. When Haim made that accusation that Feldman had "allowed" it to happen and was still friends with the guy, he was referring to Dominick Brascia - NOT to the first guy who abused Haim on the set of Lucas. You need to learn more about Haim's history of sexual abuse if you wish to contribute to this thread in any kind of way.
Secondly, you say Martin Sheen was huge, I say he was not a HUGE star. Yes he was a known actor of the time period but he was not HUGE.
Third, 1986 was when Haim and Sheen's careers began to really take off. They both began STARRING in movies - not just co-starring - and they each became household names. Charlie starred in Lucas, Platoon, etc. at this time, and Corey starred in Lucas > Lost Boys > License to Drive which gave him great recognition. Of course both acted before that time, but they both became extremely successful "stars" around 86-87.
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Clusium — 12 years ago(December 12, 2013 05:27 AM)
You are right. I HAVEN'T read the book, & do you want to know what's more? I'm not going to, either. You see, Feldman's book p-ssed off Haim's family, & they have asked all his family & friends on FB not to buy CF's book, & since I knew Haim before he became a famous movie star, I promised them that I wouldn't.
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