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NYMike8818 — 10 years ago(March 02, 2016 04:16 PM)
As Chris Rock said, there are KKK type racists who wanna lynch blacks and then there are people who ACCEPT blacks but subconsciously give preferential treatment to whites without even knowing their doing it. Thats all this #OscarsSoWhite movement is.
People hear Jada and Spike Lee and Chris Rock and the rest of us complaining and alot of you all just see a bunch of butthurt losers bitter their films weren't good enough using the race card to bitch and moan. I get it. I felt the same way, until I thought about it.
Listen, NONE of you are blatant racistsnone of you hate blacks or think blacks are less than anyone, so when someone calls you something you are not (a racist), you tune out, start SWINGING, and don't take what they are saying serious.
But you need to listen to us because there IS merit to what we are saying. You have to at least acknowledge that most of Hollywood is white. Very few black, hispanic or asian actors and very few get leading roles. Its not just blacks, its ALL minorities. I want you to hear me out here and just look at things from our perspective and see what we are complaining about. This has been so normal to you that you don't see it. Don't tell us 'work harder' or 'make better movies'. We ARE working hard and we just want the same opportunities white actors get. Lets deal with FACTS.
QUESTION: Why are blacks only considered for civil rights bio pics, drug de2000alers, slave movies, and other stereotypical roles that REQUIRE a black lead? Why not cast a black actor in a rom com, not all ALL black rom com, but a 'normal' one? Or a horror film? Or a sci-fi film? A black man who is just a stock broker, doctor, or teacher.
Think about it:
How many times has a black male led a mostly white rom com? A Will Smith or Michael B. Jordan type with say Jennifer Aniston or Jennifer Lawrence as the female? Yes Denzel and Will from time to time will be the black lead in a Man on Fire or Independence Day type action film but thats not the norm. Most black actors such as say Taye Diggs or Morris Chestnut only get to be leads in 'black films' like a Tyler Perry film or a THINK LIKE A MAN film. Why is that? Why is there a 'black film' and a 'film'? Thats why it was so awesome when JJ Abrams took the 'chance' and cast John Boyega in STAR WARS. Was there a NEED to make Finn black? No, none at all. But why not?
Color blind casting is what we're looking for. Not handouts. Not affirmative action. We don't want a film to get nominated just because its a 'black film'. We don't want the next Marlon Wayans spoof to get nominated. But CREED and STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON AND CHI-RAQ were Oscar worthy. End of story.Look how many BLACK ACTORS can carry a film. Who would a studio allow to carry a film?
Denzel Washington.
Will Smith.
Jamie Foxx.
Samuel L. Jackson.
Morgan Freeman.
Michael B. Jordan.
MAYBE Don Cheadle or Forest Whitaker or Anthony Mackie or Idris or Chiwetel.
Maybe. Chadwick Boseman maybe.
Nate Parker is coming on now.
But thats it. What happened to Cuba Gooding Jr., Taye Diggs, Terence Howard, Morris Chestnut, Wesley Snipes, Ving Rhames, Laurence Fishburne, Michael Ealy, etc.?
Are these the only 21 black actors trying to make it Hollywood? Why do we rotate the same 21 black guys yet a new white actor becomes a star almost every month?
You may say, NOT ALL OF THOSE GUYS ARE TALENTED ENOUGH TO DO SO OR HAVE ENOUGH FANS OR HITS. Okay, but do all the white actors who get to carry a film have the most talent or box office clout??
Maybe without a true number comparison it doesn't make sense. Lets add it up. The number of working leading black actors and WHITE ones. If this disparity doesn't make it clear for younothing will.
But look how many white actors get to lead a film:
George Clooney
Robert DeNiro
Al Pacino
Jack Nicholson
Sean Penn
Leonardo DiCaprio
Christan Bale
Zac Efron
Miles Teller
Chris Hemsworth
Liam Hemsworth
Liam Neeson
Nicolas Cage
Tom Cruise
Chris Evans
Chris Pratt
Chris Pine
Matt Damon
Bradley Cooper
Matthew McConaughey
Ben Affleck
Casey Affleck
Tom Hanks
Sam Worthington
Ben Foster
Taylor Kitsch
Shia LaBeouf
Daniel Day Lewis
Alec Baldwin
Jeremy Renner
Scott Eastwood
Clint Eastwood
Val Kilmer
Mark Wahlberg
Mark Ruffalo
Eddie Redmayne
Paul Walker (RIP)
Philip Seymour Hoffman (RIP)
Robin Williams (RIP)
Edward Norton
Micheal Keaton
Michael Douglas
Seth Rogen
Joseph Gordon Levitt
James Franco
Tye Sheridan
James MacAvoy
Michael Fassbender
Channing Tatum
Jake Gyllenhaal
Ethan Hawke
Brenton Thwaites
Gerard Butler
Joel Edgerton
Taron Edgerton
Hugh Jackman
Kevin Spacey
Jeff Bridges
Jeff Daniels
Aaron Taylor Johnson
Emile Hirsch
Johnny Depp
Josh Hutcherson
Gary Oldman
Josh Brolin
Owen Wilson
Luke Wilson
Will Ferrel
Adam Sandler
Jim Carrey
Mark Duplass
Aaron Eckhart
Daniel Craig
Henry Cavill
Kiefer Sutherland
Donald Sutherland
Armie Hammer
Andrew Garfield
Kevin Costner
Tobey Maguire
Bryan Cranston
Aaron Paul
Ryan Reynolds
Ryan Gosling
Russell Crowe
Keanu Reeves
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PrometheusTree64 — 10 years ago(March 03, 2016 06:40 AM)
Except you threw in a lot of white actors who simply are alive (and some who are dead!) but are not all really considered leading men, and then left out a lot of black actors.
People hear Jada and Spike Lee and Chris Rock and the rest of us complaining and alot of you all just see a bunch of butthurt losers bitter their films weren't good enough using the race card to bitch and moan. I get it. I felt the same way, until I thought about it.
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You seem to miss that Rock slammed Jada, too.
Color blind casting is what we're looking for.
But when you get it, YOU complaint the role "isn't black enough."
I can destroy them all.
We can see you're a real man.
Is it too much for us to ask to be on the same playing field? And if you think it IS too much for us to ask you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself, how do I REALLY FEEL about black people?
I think you're
adorable
. And so articulate! To say nothing of laughably PC.
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BruceTJenner — 10 years ago(March 06, 2016 03:29 PM)
Typical jealous blacks with self-entitlement.
LOL please the only self-entitlement is the privileged whites that are OVER-represented and want it to stay that way.
And whites do not prefer to watch blacks on the screen. Studios are not going to lose money over your self-entitlement due to bankability.
This has been proven false in other threads on this board. I can bring those facts into this thread if you're too lazy to click.
The Jefferson's is different. Life is nor fair, and nobody owes you anything.
Yes they do. Minorities make up almost HALF of box office revenue (I can site sources if you would like). That means that YES Hollywood does owe them something since they are taking their money.
But we're stuck with ya all.
Is that what the Native-Americans keep saying about the Europeans?
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r — 10 years ago(March 06, 2016 11:53 PM)Really, I didn't know the the ticket stubs have what race you are on them, or perhaps you're counting the films that draw more blacks.
You're an idiot. In Hollywood EVERTHING is tracked. Studios get feedback from every source so they can take that information and better market their films.
Learn something:
Similarly, while racial minorities are approximately 40 percent of the population, racial minorities directed just 17.8 percent of theatrical films in 2013 and represented only 8 percent of film studio senior management. Only one person of color was a film studio CEO.
The report also reveals that more than half of "frequent moviegoers"a group that buys half of all domestic movie ticketsare minorities, suggesting that the industry's hiring practices are out of sync with its economic interests.
"What we're finding is that audiences want diverse content," Hunt said. "They want diverse content created by diverse talent. So the industry would increase its odds of success if there was more diversity in the room."
Btw, it's not just Hollywood that "prefers" whites, no offense. Maybe there's a legitimate reason for that.
Really? Have you picked up a newspaper in the last 15 years? You know the world has changed, right? Lol I have news for you there's a lot of people that can't stand you either. I'll buy you a one-way ticket to the middle east and see how quick your pasty behind "bends over".
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BruceTJenner — 10 years ago(March 07, 2016 12:16 AM)
You gave me exactly what I wanted to hear: SLAVERY. That's the root of it all the time, hence the racism-card. You're not enslaved anymore, and whites also lived in poverty with repercussions , and no opportunity. But that doesn't matter since the underprivileged whites are not "black".
Even after Slavery. You ever here of Jim Crow and the Civil Rights act of 1964? That's barley 50 years ago. Anyone passed the age of 60 - and that a huge percentage of the world - will remember a time of segregation and racism that were engrained in America via actual LAWS and LEGISTLATION. There's people alive today that went through a time when blacks were treated and considered less human. Pick up a history book.
And you say 40% of the population. Gee, my sources say blacks are 12%. But I see you implied other minorities to pad for the 40%. Now, you will claim that is different than the "buying power" percentage. Th1ebce dishonesty you are rearing is exactly what drives whites to be "racist".
Yes because blacks, Hispanics, and Asians are considered minorities. Did you not know that? They have complained about lack of diversity as well. Do you need me to bring sources about their decades of complaints? Do you need me to school you on the history of those groups that have been discriminated against by actual laws that were brought about by whites starting with the genocide of Native Americans? Your divide and conquer tactic isn't going to work with me - too smart for that.
And as far as anyone driving you to be racist - save it. You either have it in you or you don't. See people like you are the biggest hypocrites. You claim black people make excuse yet here you are making excuses as to why you have racist views. You're blaming your racism on everyone but yourself. Pathetic.
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No that would be you after the academy is DIVERSIFIED!!!
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BruceTJenner — 10 years ago(March 07, 2016 01:02 AM)
There was a time when Jews were considered less human; I don't recall them complaining about 100 yrs later.
Since when were Jews considered less human in America? Also have you not seen the numerous moives made about the holocaust? Did you know that the holocaust has been less than 100 years? So what are you not recalling? Again pick up a book.
So now your pawning other "minitites" to serve your agenda. Of course they are complaining, how apt. Yes, the same minorities that cross the border illegally, I presume.
False. The same minorities that have ancestors that have been in this country for generations. Minority actors have complained. Minority actors that are American citizens. Please pick up a book.
Actress Gina Rodriguez is starting her own movement in response to the never-ending, and completely necessary, conversation about diversity in Hollywood. Rodriguez is implementing a campaign called #MovementMondays. She took to Twitter writing, "With all this Oscar Talk and lack of diversity I decided to start a movement and speak from the perspective of a Latina American who desires to see more Latinos on screen."The 31-year-old goes on to write that Latinos need more support and greater representation.- Asians concerned
- Hispanics concerned
- Native American concerned
^^^^These are NOT illegals these are AMERICAN CITIZENS. What century are you from?
And I read that blacks used blacks as slaves also, in their place of origin.
What does that have to do with Jim Crow laws and civil rights?
And if blacks are so underprivileged, I wonder where they have all this buying-power. Splurging on movies and other goodies instead of paying rent, who knows.
We are talking about under representation which is a different topic than under privileged. What they choose to spend their money on is NOT your business. They can spend their money on movies just like you can spend your money on truck stop hookers and confederate flag decals. Point is minorities make up half the box office revenue.
And consider this: if your descendants were not entered into slavery, you would theoretically still be in Africa, as if life would be any better there.
And you would still be from whatever unfortunate country your ancestors left. They left their country for a reason, right? Unless you're Native American then you don't have a right to be here more than anyone else - so take you entitlement and shove it.
Take the good with the bad, like other people (of all ethnics) are told and expected to do.
Take what good with what bad? What are you talking about? You're not making sense.
You don't OWN oppression and underprivileged based on slavery.
See you want to avoid talking about the more recent civil rights and focus on the 100 year old slavery.
Lol first divide and conquer and now the - lets focus on slavery and not acknowledge civil rights since thats more recent. You think this is my first rodeo? On your BEST DAY you're not as good or smart as me on MY WORST.
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rascal67 — 10 years ago(March 03, 2016 04:20 PM)
if you think it IS too much for us to ask you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself, how do I REALLY FEEL about black people?Are we REALLY COMPLAINING POINTLESSLY AND CRYING RACE CARD OR DO WE HAVE A POINT? REALLY ASK YOURSELF THIS.
What a clich! Yes you are complaining and I think you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself, how do I REALLY FEEL about white people? Of course we already know the answer to that and it is steeped in your own prejudices and racist attitudes. Hypocrite!
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Destinata — 10 years ago(March 05, 2016 01:41 AM)
if you think it IS too much for us to ask you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself, how do I REALLY FEEL about black people?Are we REALLY COMPLAINING POINTLESSLY AND CRYING RACE CARD OR DO WE HAVE A POINT? REALLY ASK YOURSELF THIS.
What a clich!
And your constantly calling people "homophobic" even when you don't know their views on the subject that isn't clich? Let's just turn the argument back on you: Yes you are complaining, and I think you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself, "How do I REALLY FEEL about gay vs. straight people? Of course we already know the answer to that and it is steeped in your own prejudices and bigoted attitudes. Hypocrite!"
Such is the broken record you play. And yes, I know you don't like the mirror I hold up to your face, so you petulantly spit bile at me. Stop projecting your issues onto others and face them yourself, hypocrite.
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wyldeone2 — 10 years ago(March 03, 2016 04:43 PM)
Why did none of the actors you listed or the president of the academy nominate
Shiraq or Straight Outta Compton?Look how many BLACK ACTORS can carry a film. Who would a studio allow to carry a film?
Denzel Washington.
Will Smith.
Jamie Foxx.
Samuel L. Jackson.
Morgan Freeman.
Michael B. Jordan.
MAYBE Don Cheadle or Forest Whitaker or Anthony Mackie or Idris or Chiwetel.
Chadwick Boseman maybe. Nate Parker is coming on now.
What happened to Cuba Gooding Jr., Taye Diggs, Terence Howard, Morris Chestnut, Wesley Snipes, Ving Rhames, Laurence Fishburne, Michael Ealy, etc.?
Sorry to say that some were trying to blame the "no black nominations" on the white members of Hollywood and acted like black people had no right to vote which clearly is not true.
Other black actors besides those you listed may have been able to nominate such as Sidney Poitier, James Earl Jones, Louis Gossett Jr., Danny Glover, Eddie Murphy, Jeffrey Wright, Usher? I don't know the rules but can't vote because I am not a member.
Do you or anyone have a source?
Concerning the two movies you mentioned as not being nominated, I am sure they are good enough stories and have good cinematography. But to honest with you, I don't like hip hop, not even if white people or any other race performs it. Not my cup of tea and I am not going to sit through an entire movie listening to it. If I have a dvd where I can mute a musical spot here and there I do. The soundtrack of any movie is important to me and I like plenty of the R&B and Soul Train type singers. These 2 movies need to have hip hop to be real so I am passing. If they had been nominated and won, I would not be upset.
How about some of the real complainers who dislike the limited black character portrayals, write some fiction with different roles. Since it is fiction, why not remake Carters Army but leave the white bigotry out of it. Give them a black commander and thus the soldiers have a better attitude. But you can't expect Jennifer Aniston to play opposite a black male lead in a rom-com until you write it and to where she or someone else of her level of fame thinks their career benefits from being in it.
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Bard_Battalion — 10 years ago(March 03, 2016 08:52 PM)
Spike Lee is upset because of a lack of Oscar nominations for black people this year. Diverse casting would not satisfy him. He seems to believe an Oscar ceremony without nominations for black people
must
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BruceTJenner — 10 years ago(March 06, 2016 03:34 PM)
Spike Lee is upset because of a lack of Oscar nominations for black people this year. Diverse casting would not satisfy him. He seems to believe an Oscar ceremony without nominations for black people must be due to racism. That's an assumption he can't back up with proof. He does no one any favors by such an inarticulate position. I respect his artistry, but he has become a caricature of himself.
How do you know diverse casting won't help to solve this very legitimate problem? This also isn't about satisfying Mr. Lee. It's bigger than him. Stop trying to downplay this issue to only a few that are affected. Half the country is non-white ethnic. It affects them ALL.
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Bard_Battalion — 10 years ago(March 07, 2016 01:37 AM)
How do you know diverse casting won't help to solve this very legitimate problem?
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BruceTJenner — 10 years ago(March 07, 2016 07:27 AM)
People like Lee will not be satisfied by diverse casting because the assumption that racism is the cause of a lack of "diversity nominations" will remain, which is what is happening.
Again this is bigger than Spike Lee. Do you have 'Do the Right Thing' on repeat or something? Back away from the TV and listen.
Diversified casting (in Oscar worthy movie roles) PLUS a diversified voting academy will MOST LIKEY lead to diversified nominations.
Right now the majority of Oscar roles are given to white actors and 90% of the academy are white (the majority being male and over 60 years of age).
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Bard_Battalion — 10 years ago(March 07, 2016 08:42 PM)
this is bigger than Spike Lee
I did say "People like Lee", that is, people who assume the 2016 Oscar nominations are down to racism.
Diversified casting (in Oscar worthy movie roles) PLUS a diversified voting academy will MOST LIKEY lead to diversified nominations.
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BruceTJenner — 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 04:31 PM)
I did say "People like Lee", that is, people who assume the 2016 Oscar nominations are down to racism.
This article backs up what Spike Lee is claiming:
'How racially skewed are the Oscars?'
http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2016/01/film-and-race
Do you have a study and/or facts to counter that backs up your position?
Any year that doesn't happen people like Lee will cry racism.
You're obsessed with Spike Lee. Leave Spike Lee alone - he doesn't want you. Stalker.
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