I SO agree with him on Depp's version of Willy Wonka (it was bad)
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MarkAnthony1990 — 14 years ago(September 17, 2011 04:15 PM)
It's interesting because Dahl wrote 70% of the screenplay and you can really see Dahl's style in the original film. Why do people consider the new version closer to the book?
You're right, that is interesting that you would say something like that because Roald Dahl absolutely hated the original film because it wasn't dark enough. He may not have liked Burton's version either had he been able to see it but it was much closer to the dark tone Dahl liked. He didn't like the music and lightness of the original.
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Shindiggy — 16 years ago(January 02, 2010 11:23 PM)
There is only one Willy Wonka and will the real Willy Wonka please stand up? Graciously Gene Wilder stands. I adore Depp, I think he's drop dead gorgeous but his remake is more for adults and Gene's is for children. Gene was so funny, Johnny was scary to say the least but I will give him the "don't touch that squirrels nuts". But that quote is not for children, or maybe my minds in the gutter. lol I knew when I heard that it was going to be a Tim Burton remake that it wasn't any child's story anymore. His movies are dark, in lighting and script. Anyone who saw the original with Gene knows that Depp's is way out there, even for Willy Wonka. Gene Wilder IS Willy Wonka just as Richard Harris IS Dumbledore and so forth.
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Jake3988 — 15 years ago(April 08, 2010 09:24 PM)
The Oompa Loompas were all played by the same person surely with all the technology at his disposal he could've at least attempted to make them look different. Or hired more than 1 person. That was terrible.
Two, the songs were taken from the book but were just AWFUL. They made absolutely no sense and they were filmed in a fantasy setting that looked like something out of an over-the-top Vegas dancing show. It was freaking weird.
Three, what the hell was up with the camera angles? The camera was always pointing straight down or straight up. I swear the entire movie (well, the parts I managed to stomach) I never once saw a wall.
Burton tried to go WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY over the top. Some people like that, but I sure don't.
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Wittyusername — 15 years ago(April 09, 2010 03:32 AM)
I must applaud the many good points raised here about the differences between the films! I personally did it completely the other way, watching the Burton Film first, and eventually watching the one with Gene afterwards, having heard much good about. I thought Depp was okay while watching the film, but having seen the sheer range of Gene in this film, I was quite blown away. Depp wasn't actually all that bad, but he sort of zoned in and couldn't muster different emotions, whereas Gene gave the character exactly the right emotions to make him a fully fleshed character, who didn't seem like the Oompa Loompas were leading stuff, he was in charge. I admittedly wasn't too fond of the musical part in this old one, it's quite a classic type of musical, and was easier for me to shrug off the Burton music, but that's just me generally not being fond of musicals.
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precious2381 — 15 years ago(April 27, 2010 01:47 PM)
I also love the version with Gene and I think it has more class, charm and definitely more mystery, but I don't think the new version was that bad, it was just very different, I certainly didn't lose respect for the brilliant Johnny Depp.
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GrinReeper — 15 years ago(October 06, 2010 11:02 PM)
I think the difference is that Depp's Wonka tried very hard to be dark. But Wilder's Wonka was complex; you could see that his mind was always working, and that there was something brooding and angry beneath the surface. His Wonka is interesting.
Burton just put his grubby fingers on it, adding his patent "Daddy issue" character, "quirky" characters, and "DAAAARKK" atmosphere. Someone needs to tell Burton that he's not really dark; he's the shallow, corporate dark akin to Hot Topic merchandise and goth make-up.
Uncle Moonshine's rage is buildin' like a storm in the Mississippi.
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suicidea — 14 years ago(May 19, 2011 03:56 PM)
I'm not sure but I think Gene Wilder made that comment BEFORE the Burton version was completed and released. Anyway, I agree that it was "only about money."
I will never watch the Burton version unless someone holds a gun to my head. I couldn't care l2000ess if it's more faithful to the book or not. I couldn't care less if Depp is good or not. I won't watch it, because the Wilder version is special to me, and I don't want images from another movie popping in my mind upon the mentioning of Wonka.
The Wilder version was made at an era when movies were not 100 % about money, where talent and entertainment value still counted. The movie was a sweet memory from my childhood and I won't let anyone ruin that.
Think of the favorite song of you and your spouse, or a song that means a lot to you. Now picture it being performed by a screaming drunk dude who belches and farts every 30 seconds. It's not a compliment to the song, really, and ruins something that's special for you. That's how I feel about shallow remakes of classic movies.
Same goes for Pink Panther, Superman, Italian Job, The Mechanic, Moby Dick, even the cheesy Freddy and Jason. I love Steve Martin, I respect Depp and Burton for their great works in the past, but Hollywood cannot do remakes. Simple as that.
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dogsoldier_spoon-1 — 14 years ago(March 27, 2012 10:46 AM)
Wilder never saw it because he thought it would be horrible and though he's right, I don't think you should judge a movie you haven't seen. I've enjoyed a fair share of remakes, some even as good or better as their predecessors. It just wasn't the case for Willy Wonka.
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suicidea — 14 years ago(April 05, 2012 05:01 PM)
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I don't think you should judge a movie you haven't seen.15 years ago, I'd agree 100%. But 15 years ago, there were at least two or three good movies coming out every week. Now we have remakes, remakes of remakes, Ashton Kutcher, Adam Sandler, Lindsay Lohan, Rob Schneider and even Paris Hilton. Not to mention at least one or two Johnny Depp films where he doesn't have his own face.
So I am prejudiced, yes. I don't watch any of the above (plus may others I haven't named here, to avoid arguments) and I also judge them as incompetent cr*p without having seen a single scene.
I'm close to 40 and have only so much time to watch movies, why waste it on something that I probably can't stand? There are still many DVD's I have bought and not watched yet. Classics, Chaplin, Brando, Paul Newman, there are at least 5 Kurosawa films I haven't watched, old Burt Lancaster films, funny 50-s sci fi, horror, Russian films, mystery science theater 3000 episodes There's always something great on tv as well, with so many channels. If I can choose to watch these, honestly, why try to be fair and say "well, I should give it a chance maybe Adam Sandler did nail it this time" ??
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adalsteinn-pk — 13 years ago(May 09, 2012 11:28 AM)
Tim Burton is just beep movies now, i am seeing movies directed by Tim Burton every single year now or maybe the time goes by to fast. It usually involves his girl Helena Bonham and Depp. The Tim Burton movies i like and it's not Batman although I do like Batman. ( I never saw it when Adam West was Batman ). I am born 1987 and i grew up around Michael being Batty :D..
Anyway the Movies i like are Beetlejuice and also i liked Nightmare before christmas, but Wonka from 1971 is 1000000 times better then Tim Burton's crap of a movie with latexwearing oompa loompas.. I like Depp and i loved Secret Window and him as Jack Sparrow but he should try to distance himself a bit from Tim Burton. He is cast basically as every lead for Burton, he's in
Dark Shadows
Alice in Wonderland
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Sweeney Todd
Corpses Bri111cde
Those are the ones i know of.
Oh and to kill all the "rumor i heard" or "i think he said"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFVh3jlla_c&feature=player_detailpage#t=1207s
At this exact second in the interview with Gene Wilder himself he answers questions about remakes of work he has done including Willy Wonka and just LISTEN and you will hear what he said from him to your own ears. -
mp390a15 — 13 years ago(March 14, 2013 11:32 AM)
I watched the Depp version with relatives who had young kids. They were petrified, and later said it gave them nightmares! It was bizarre and creepy I would say, and not funny at all. It was like a movie designed for people on psychedelic drugs (aka:Fear and Loathing a step ever weirder).
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cold_sky — 12 years ago(June 11, 2013 06:50 PM)
It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the adaptations are faithful to the book or not. It is simply this: was the movie good? Or not?
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gallagwar — 12 years ago(June 14, 2013 12:27 PM)
Say what you will about Burton's film, and I love Gene Wilder and miss him terribly, but he's really out of line on this, and is really the one doing the insulting. Honestly, he sounds arrogant and stupid.
Tim Burton didn't "remake" Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. He made an adaptation of the source material. How can you "remake" something that wasn't original to begin with? How is it an insult to Wilder if he had nothing to do with the creation of the source material or the character?
And this is just my opinion, but of all the people in the movie industry today, Burton is one of the few I feel comfortable in saying isn't doing it "for the money". Not that making money isn't a motivation for him (isn't it for everyone?), but he's not making his films to create big budget box office smashes. They're all stories he's passionate about. They're pet projects. If you don't like his style, that's fine. It drags on me often as well. But let's not act like he's adapting stories like Sweeney Todd with dollar signs in his eyes. The guy likes retelling classic stories in his own vision.
To the OP, this "new" Wonka you describe Depp playing was much closer to the real Wonka than Wilder's. And Dahl absolutely hated the original for the way the emphasis was placed on Wonka. The daddy issues in Burton's version were added on (and adapted from Dahl's follow up story), but otherwise, he's a much more accurate portrayal.