I've always been a little confused by the cult of Kurt, as it were. He was a great musician, but people always point out
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rascal67 — 11 years ago(April 12, 2014 10:44 PM)
They are famous for things that when you really think about it are trivial in the grand scheme of things.
Yes, the grand scheme of things. Fans that made him popular and famous, due to their lack of taste in musical quality. It is possible, that Cobain may still be alive today, if he wasn't so revered and his trash music exploited by "scheming" musical promoters. He couldn't deal with it, or many other famous musicians that he would have encountered on his journey to stardom; who had more talent in their little fingers, then Cobain had in his whole body.
..Cobain was most likely clinically depressed, and yes, obviously the heroin didn't help his mental state.
His own attitude, selfishness and self absorbed pity, would have been large contributing factors. He was just so hard done by. He took hard drugs and consumed copious amounts of alcohol because he was bored and dense. He reached the top and didn't know where else to go, because his brain was to frazzled, too look any deeper. Ironic that his band was called 'Nirvana'. His enlightened state, could only be achieved with the usage of illicit narcotics. What a cliche he was!
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SimplemindedSociety — 11 years ago(April 13, 2014 12:19 AM)
'Cobain was most likely clinically depressed'
How is likely that you know this? Did he have clinical depression as diagnosed by a doctor? Did he seek help in the case that he did have this illness?
However, not knowing his history, was he performing and active when he was clinically depressed? How do define clinical depression? Clinically depressed people are usually debilitated, and why mental-hospitals are where they admitted to, since prescription drugs do not always work. He could have been psychotic, for all we know. -
rascal67 — 11 years ago(April 13, 2014 02:57 AM)
He could have been psychotic, for all we know.
This is what the worshipers, most likely don't want to recognize or acknowledge. Poor Cobain! Just a victim of circumstance and tragedy and any personal onus of responsibility regarding his attitude\behavior and death, gets him absolved. Excuses and passes get given to him, because he was just this poor sacrificial lamb for the alter. His music and persona astounded and inspired them, that he is then elevated to a 'Christ Like' status. It is easier to swallow that he was murdered, rather than acknowledge his self-destructive nature.
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chamohlamb — 10 years ago(July 08, 2015 05:13 PM)
It's enjoyable to me and many others. Just because you think Nirvana is overrated crap doesn't mean others share that opinion. Which is what you are doing, stating your opinion. You mentioned the Eagles many posts up, and I think their music sucks. Not saying the Eagles were talentless musicians, obviously they knew what they were doing. I find their music bland and boring. Nirvana songs excite me. Beyond all the facts about Cobain's life, I just love Nirvana and have since the first time I heard them.
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BulmaPunkRocker — 10 years ago(April 12, 2015 12:21 PM)
It is called DEPRESSION.
I can't understand why Robin Williams killed himself, but if he was suffering from some mental illness (as I do), I am very sorry and I have respect for his family.
You should try to inform yourself about long-term major depression, heroin abuse and the circumstances surrounding Kurt's death. And respect her daughter.
Please excuse my terrible redaction, english is not my native language
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kaustin1067 — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 03:15 PM)
"I am not insensitive, but the opposite."
That's not for you to decide.
"Because his parents got divorced. So do 50% kids suffer from divorceand additional abuse. Because he have to endure his parents getting divorced is not a reason ,nor should his parents feel guilt."
I'm pretty sure divorce rates back then were a lot lower and had a lot more stigma behind them back then than nowadays. That could have contributed to him feeling alienated from the rest of his peers.
"He couldn't stand success? Ok, would he be happier without the success? What was the problem? Sexuality issues, so I hear? If sexuality issues is all some people had to deal with, they would be relieved."
Right because money and success is the source of all happiness right? It was probably a combination of all those things you listed that drove him to kill himself.
"I really want to know so I can justify not putting a gun to my head then. Let's all put a gun to our head, then. We have mental hospitals for depressed people too. What, he was too good to go?
Does he even KNOW WHY he killed himself, or was it the groovy thing to do?"
The stigma behind mental illness is still very strong nowadays, convincing many suffering from it to not seek the help they need, and back then I can imagine it was even stronger.
"Oh, and who cares about the pain his parents, wife and baby had to cope with, But, that must be secondary, since he was some sort of "star.
Perhaps his parents wife and child should just be thankful for what they still have. It could be a whole lot worse right. Heh, I'm kidding with that, but the point is saying he should have thought about them contradicts the whole "Be thankful for how good you have it" mentality. How come no one tells this to the loved ones of people who commit suicide? Because their pain is real and the fact that others have it worse does not make said pain any less real. Thing is, Depression is also real. I'm not saying that Kurt should have killed himself, but You shouldn't assume that just because the reasons seem trivial to you does not mean they are.
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kaustin1067 — 9 years ago(May 27, 2016 10:26 AM)
"You're 24 yrs old, so 15 yrs ago ago is "back then". Yet, you are lecturing others who know more than you. The stigma of mental-illness is well-known, and there has not been this big revelation about it since this man died."
I'm 24 years old, so I don't know anything?(I'm 25 now BTW) Wow,what a compelling arguement. I'm pretty sure you would rather have a 35 year old trained brain surgeon perform a brain surgery for you than an 80 year old garbage man. The OP doesn't seem to grasp the full effect of the stigma since he casually suggested, "We have mental hospitals." As if that's an automatic fix.
"Stigma, stigma. Tom Cruise whines about his parents divorce. Too bad. Of course, if that's all you ever had to worry about it, it's some big devastating thing."
Spoken like someone who's never dealt with real stigma in his life. I'm just pointing out that divorce was less common back then, and a much bigger deal. My dad's parents got divorced in the 1960s, and he felt it bad. Sure he dealt with it, but he didn't have a mental illness like Kurt did. The guys point was that 50% of children deal with divorce, so its no big deal, forgetting that this it the statistic today, not back when Kurt was a kid.
"Because you may have been coddled and praised your whole 24 yr old life, would make you think it's the worst thing that could happen."
Fallacy of relative privation. This is what the OP was using.
"You don't say. You and mouthy others on the board assume people know don't what depression is, or perhaps have depression worse than Cobain. The fact is, you don't know a helluva lot of which you profess. You assume."
Ignorance on mental illness is very widespread, and the OP is no exception. Sure, he is at least trying to understand, but the fact that he used the fallacy f relative privation is a mark against him. I at least do research on the subject.
"Come back when you're at least out of your 20's, and until then, do less speaking and more listening."
So I should take Ps16d0ychiatric advice from a guy like Michael Savage (who says that 99% of kids with Autism are "Brats who haven't been told to cut the act out.") over younger trained mental professionals because he's in his 70s? I don't think so. But hey, if you are so smart, what do you suggest we do?
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gentey — 10 years ago(March 06, 2016 10:37 AM)
Maybe he was just high and he was toying with himself and playing to commit suicide and then it just happened. He could of been thinking something to the effect of, well this would be the ultimate act of sacrifice for the media monkeys, and then it happened by accident. He clearly wasn't totally with it.