Why did she end up with the ugly dudes?
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jane_bront — 11 years ago(November 27, 2014 12:29 PM)
I think Mickey Rooney had something else going for him besides fame and money. I've read snippets here and there that he had many women and no less than 8 of them married him - including Ava G. no matter how often she may have resisted dating him in the beginning. If she was such a Helen of Troy even as a fledgling starlet she could've snagged some other Hollyweird bigwig besides "ugly" Mickey if she wanted to. Plus, Mickey was probably a lot of fun to be around. Never heard anyone say the same about Gardner, whose looks and "talent" are overrated imo.
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metalman091 — 11 years ago(November 30, 2014 05:05 PM)
I think Mickey Rooney had something else going for him besides fame and money. I've read snippets here and there that he had many women and no less than 8 of them married him - including Ava G. no matter how often she may have resisted dating him in the beginning. If she was such a Helen of Troy even as a fledgling starlet she could've snagged some other Hollyweird bigwig besides "ugly" Mickey if she wanted to. Plus, Mickey was probably a lot of fun to be around. Never heard anyone say the same about Gardner, whose looks and "talent" are overrated imo.
Actually, there were several people who loved being with Ava Gardner. Ava could be irritating and moody, but no one ever claimed she was dull. Howard Keel, Kathryn Grayson, Lena Horne, David Niven, Sammy Davis Jr, Clark Gable and Robert Taylor were enchanted by Ava's fun personality. Let's not forget that Frank Sinatra never stopped pining for Ava even as she admitted that Artie Shaw was the love of her life.
As for Rooney, he could be very unpleasant. Have you ever read any of his books or interviews? He made up stories about his own life and the people in them. He published details of his sex life with Ava and the rest for all to see. He claimed that poor people CHOSE to be born that way! He was also very rude to fans. Once he became a born-again [they're always a joy!!] he became more egotistical, a lot more rude and homophobic.
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AliciaHuberman59 — 14 years ago(June 02, 2011 01:02 PM)
She was not a gold digger. Turned down countless marria5b4ge proposals from Howard Hughes and did not get a dime from any of her three ex-husbands. All of her husbands (and lovers, of which there were many) were good in the sack, which is what mattered most to her.
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SimplemindedSociety — 14 years ago(August 07, 2011 03:40 AM)
'All of her husbands (and lovers, of which there were many) were good in the sack, which is what mattered most to her.'
True.
It kind of what turned me off about her also,like commenting on Frank Sinatra being "all man" where it counts,etc.
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Jane2005 — 14 years ago(July 16, 2011 09:27 PM)
Looks often don't matter to women; it's the chemistry that counts. <<
Amen to that. Guys will NEVER get this about women. I'll take my guy over Brad Pitt and professional bachelor George Clooney any day.
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SimplemindedSociety — 14 years ago(August 18, 2011 10:23 PM)
'Amen to that. Guys will NEVER get this about women. I'll take my guy over Brad Pitt and professional bachelor George Clooney any day'.
Jane,
Guys get it, but that doesn't mean women don't care about a man's looks; they are still human and sexual beings. Also, who is say that great-looking men are not also great on the inside? Yeah,right, women don't care about looks.
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Jane2005 — 14 years ago(August 19, 2011 09:07 PM)
Guys get it, but that doesn't mean women don't care about a man's looks; they are still human and sexual beings.<<
That statement tells me you really don't get it. Sexual chemistry is in the head. What is important to the woman is what will attract her to the man (be that looks, or charisma, or both).
Of course it would be ideal if a great looking guy would also have all the other things we want in a man, but that isn't generally the case. So we'd rather have a nice, stable, loyal, funny, and hard working man regardless of looks over a good looking, abusive jerk any day. (Special note that some women are happier with a good looking a$$hole for the status, but those are women with low self esteem.)You are speaking for YOUR-self,not all women. <<
Of course I am speaking for myself (DUH), but I've talked with friends on this topic and many feel as I do. You sound like you're taking this personally. Are you an average looking guy who has been shot down by one too many women ?
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SimplemindedSociety — 14 years ago(August 19, 2011 09:54 PM)
'That statement tells me you really don't get it. Sexual chemistry is in the head. What is important to the woman is what will attract her to the man (be that looks, or charisma, or both).'
Yes, I do get it,Jane.
I could easily use your example as a reciprocal for why men choose women. What makes you assume men don't want the same things that you cite a woman looks for in a man? And you never addressed my original point about the pre-conceived notion of great-looking men being great on the inside also. Men and women want the same things.
I responded to your post in a polite manner, and you come back with a bitchy insulting attitude. That tells me where you're coming from also. I am not taking it personally, and no I haven't been shot down by 5b4women,nor have I been described as "average" looking,in all modesty.
Get over your anti-male sentiments.
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metalman091 — 12 years ago(September 06, 2013 12:07 AM)
What I know in MY experience as a man is that different women attract me all the time. There are no set rules. I don't specifically have a type when it comes to appearances. Hair color doesn't really matter. It really just depends on the day and mood. Call it charisma or whatever, but sometimes these women are not "natural beauties" and sometimes they are.
Off-topic, but I think Judy Garland is still the most beautiful lady that I have ever seen before and nothing has changed that. Yes she is ahead of Ava Gardner and the rest, but that's the point. I still find Ava Gardner attractive and that just shows the different types that I do find attractive [like Elizabeth Taylor, Marilyn Monroe, Audrey Hepburn, Barbara Stanwy5b4ck, Olivia de Havilland, Irene Dunne, Ingrid Bergman, Rita Hayworth, Jean Harlow, Carole Lombard etc]. There is a mixture there.
One of the reasons I find Ava attractive is not just because of her looks, but her on-screen attitude. She looked like someone who had a sense of humor and a personality, and that's important. It can never just be about looks, there HAS to be something else. Good looking doesn't always equal charisma. It's the reason I was never attracted to Lana Turner. She just came across as wooden and "unrealistic."
Ava's husbands did not share any real physical characteristics [except below the belt maybe]. They all differed in appearance. Rooney was short, Shaw was classically handsome and Sinatra was underfed and boyish. Who can tell about attraction? It just comes out of nowhere.
I don't like Mickey Rooney, Artie Shaw or Frank Sinatra, but I have to admit, based on my readings on them, that women found them attractive. The fact that all three were arrogant, self-absorbed asswipes has nothing to do with their charisma. I usually think "poor Ava" when I remember she was married to THESE THREE. But she did share some of their characteristics. She could be arrogant, self-absorbed, cynical, and difficult to be with. There was really NO WAY these marriages could have worked. But she loved them in different ways. While Frank Sinatra pined for Ava for the rest of his life, she r2000eally loved Artie Shaw the most.
I still wonder if marriage would have worked if Ava had found a modest and down to earth man to live with. Ava would never have been easy to live with, but I still wonder.
Ava's men were not always cut from the same cloth either. She had affairs with diverse types as Robert Walker, Howard Duff, David Niven, Turhan Bey, Clark Gable and Robert Taylor. She also expressed interest in Anthony Perkins. It looks like her taste in men was varied. -
LiteraryLegend — 12 years ago(December 02, 2013 05:36 PM)
Sinatra was far from ugly. Every woman in America was nuts about him when he was young, middle aged and old. I agree about Mickey Rooney. All her other men like the bullfighters and countless lovers I've read about weren't too shabby either. And Shaw was handsome and very uniquely talented.
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metalman091 — 11 years ago(October 23, 2014 04:52 AM)
Speaking of ugly "dudes" is it true she had a romance with Mel Torme?
Given Mel Torme's reputation for telling lies [like he did with Judy Garland, a long story for those who haven't heard about it or don't believe it], I'm wondering if there is any truth at all in his claim of an affair with Ava Gardner.
I know they dated at least, but as I mentioned, Torme was known to stretch the truth. He told two different stories about how he and Ava parted. In one story he said that Ava smoked too much and he couldn't take it and broke it off. The other story is the one that appears in the biography by Lee Server in which Torme attended a movie premiere and lied to her about it [lying seems to have been a thing he liked to do]. He also said that he and Marilyn Monroe were an item, but no Marilyn biography that I'm aware of has ever mentioned this.
I haven't read Ava's autobiography for almost a decade so I'm not in the best position to say what was in there and I do not remember Torme being mentioned. What does her book say?
I wouldn't take Torme's version of events on anything unless they can be verified by other sources.