Why doesn't society hold men accountable?
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Jupiter555555 — 10 years ago(March 26, 2016 08:08 AM)
I never got the sense of people thinking "she deserved it"
No, you wouldn't would you. That comes from years of being a woman and observing how society questions our choices even when we've been victimized, or how it would be viewed if we were a man being violated. I've heard people say that once a man has possession of a woman's pictures, meant to be kept private, he can do whatever he wants with them and it's her fault for consenting. By the way, I just watched Good Morning America and they discussed how Hogan might've known he was being taped, as he was in his best friend's house and knew there were cameras throughout every square inch.
And to be clear, I don't think anybody said Erin Andrews deserved it. I said people say that about Kim Kardashian, Paris Hilton and not-famous girls all over the country whose photos or videos are exploited. If Hogan's verdict has taught us anything, it's that the general public reacts quite differently when a man says he feels violated.
However your wording makes it sound like you do think he had culpability in the matter. You said "if I wanted to be a jeb68rk, I could say he had culpability",
Nope. Saying "one could argue" merely means I can see the points being made, doesn't mean I agree with those points. This is a common tactic used in everyday conversation. "I believe OJ is guilty of the double homicide, however I can see the point being made that the LAPD botched the investigation." -
Jupiter555555 — 10 years ago(April 02, 2016 09:55 AM)
Here comes the ongoing weeping about poor women being neglected and oppressed, and parlayed on any board you can find, probably.
Neglected? No. Oppressed? Sometimes. Violated? Often. Women aren't the only ones who complain about being violated (for instance, Hogan,) we're juts the only ones who incite eye rolls when we do so.
You should care so much about double-standards towards men and how society stigmatizes them, but you consider that a non-entity.
Why? Because YOU care so much about how women are stigmatized? Everything in your condescending posts indicates otherwise, yet you think I should care about your plight?
Women receive free passes and/or lighter punishment than man
Not this time (with Hogan and Andrews.) He was far more compensated for the violation he endured than was she, and the case could be made HE had some culpability in his own victimization, the same case could NEVER be made for the Andrews situation. -
d_henderson1810 — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 04:19 PM)
It was wrong that Erin Andrews wasn't paid more. Her privacy was invaded.
My problem with Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton is that they used their sex tapes to make a career for themselves, and have publicly put themselves out there for all to see, by posing nude on the internet etc. The original sex tape was an invasion of their privacy, but instead of suing, they took advantage of it.
Hell, Kardashian even did a racy video where she was naked on a motorbike with hubby Kayne West for one of his music videos. I don't feel sorry for her.
Hulk Hogan was already a celebrity whose privacy got violated. Erin Andrews didn't exploit the situation and then pose nude other times. She has a right to complain and sue. I don't hear Kardashian or Hilton complaining one bit. -
The_gambler21 — 9 years ago(May 30, 2016 09:55 PM)
I figure with Paris and Kim it worked out in their favor, they got TV shows and endorsement deals. Kim must be good since the video of her indiscretions got her whole family famous. I'm sure plenty of people wish those tapes stayed private anyway. They could use/used the TV time for better things than simple life and all the kardashian shows.
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Catdubh — 9 years ago(June 10, 2016 11:32 AM)
Wait, wait, wait Jupiter555555, I completely agree with you about society's label of women being exploited as though she "asked" for it. That is down right vile. And yes, Erin Andrews was exploited but Hulk's award was larger BECAUSE he is a public figure. It is sad but it has nothing to do with sexual exploitation, it has to do with privacy. Next, you are mixing the subject of "why doesn't society hold men accountable" and their warped, unequal expectations sexually for men and women, with lawsuits and videos, which were actually released by the women you label, as "exploited". Really? I think both Paris' and Kim's "team" or publicists released the videos (public) of themselves involved in sexual acts, and did so for the sole reason of profiting from those videos or the publicity the videos generated. How on earth can you deem these women as being exploited? I'll go one step further, Kim has made a LIVING releasing explicit pictures of herself. I don't think the same is true of Paris. How can you begin to compare women that capitalize on videos like the ones in your examples and place them on the same scale as say a sorority girl who goes to a party, gets falling down drunk, then taken advantage of by Joe, Howard and Steve while so John videos it, and puts it out on the internet? THAT is sexual exploitation! Not Kim releasing her sex video with ex boyfriend, blah blah and capitalizing on it!
Next, Hulk's not knowing he was being videoed and then having the video released to the public, IS THE POINT.
I don't mean to be rude and I agree with about society's labels being different for men and women but your examples are poor and incorrect. Hulk's lawsuit was about being a public figure and having his privacy invaded, not sexual exploitation.
Jack's not dead! Jack would never die without telling me, first! -
Jupiter555555 — 9 years ago(August 01, 2016 09:38 AM)
It is speculation that Kim and Paris release those videos themselves or with their consent. In fact I think Paris won a small lawsuit for hers so I am going to guess there was a fairly strong case made for her oblivion.
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bigbadwolf666 — 2 years ago(February 11, 2024 03:29 PM)
Many Reasons,
They were behind it,
He wasnt.
He got a billionaire to back him up.
They didnt go the long yard.
He fought to the very end.
They settled.
The companies they sued.
Both didnt get **** in the end.
Without strife, your victory has no meaning.
Without strife, you do not advance.
Without strife, there is only stagnation.