It seems that I hear this idea perpetuated quite frequently these days, whether it's coming from Jenna Jameson or the re
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PhillyV49 — 11 years ago(September 28, 2014 05:28 PM)
I would say that having sexual intercourse, whether it's vaginal, anal, or oral, in exchange for any kind of material gain, makes you a prostitute/whore. It is not just limited to street hookers who seek out Johns.
Based on this rationale, Carmen Electra is certainly not a prostitute/whore because there is no sexual intercourse involved in what she does. However, Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton are more difficult to discuss because they both made sex tapes. If it is the case that they both made money off of these tapes, then I'm going to have to say that they are prostitutes/whores. If not, then they are simply two women who enjoy filming themselves having sex, which there is nothing wrong with. -
quarrion-1 — 11 years ago(September 29, 2014 05:36 AM)
f not, then they are simply two women who enjoy filming themselves having sex, which there is nothing wrong with.
I am lost now - then what is wrong with being paid to enjoy being filmed having sex???
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Just_Jenna — 11 years ago(September 30, 2014 05:36 PM)
I am lost now - then what is wrong with being paid to enjoy being filmed having sex???
How can you have a problem with one and not the latter???
Good point!!
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Just_Jenna — 11 years ago(September 29, 2014 05:30 PM)
So pretty much all women are whores, in your opinion. You could've just said that instead of doing this long drawn out post.
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PhillyV49 — 11 years ago(September 29, 2014 06:19 PM)
I am very sorry that you all misunderstand me so badly and cannot follow my logic. It is not my fault. I do not believe that all women are whores. Absolutely not. I don't know how any of you can deduce that, but what the hell. You are entitled to your opinion no matter how false it is.
It's about sexual intercourse for money. Not all women do this, so no, not all women are whores. As a matter of fact, it reveals how negative your mentalities about women are when you assume that married women are whores simply because they are married to rich men. Why would you suggest that? Women are biologically programmed to look for men who can be providers. These women are merely following their programming.
I do not believe that all women are whores and I never would. I didn't start this thread to say that all women are whores, I started it to point out how some women, definitely, without a doubt, are prostitutes/whores (i.e. any woman who receives financial compensation for sexual intercourse - as a profession). Whether or not it is part of a profession is the only technicality that matters. Clear enough yet for your thick skulls? -
Just_Jenna — 11 years ago(September 30, 2014 05:43 PM)
It was this statement:
I would say that having sexual intercourse, whether it's vaginal, anal, or oral, in exchange for
any
kind of material gain, makes you a prostitute/whore.
A lot of women marry for money, or material gain. A lot of men marry so they can have regular sex. Also, in many relationships, when the man wants sex he'll buy a piece or jewelry or something to make the woman feel amorous. I'm not making this a black and white thing, just saying it does happen.
There is a lot of sex that occurs in this world where the woman is obtaining some sort of financial security or material gain from it.
Prostitutes are just up front about it, no facade there.
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quarrion-1 — 11 years ago(October 01, 2014 06:28 AM)
I don't know how any of you can deduce that
Given how well you write, I find it very hard to believe that you missed the crucial errors pointed out in your thinking. You simply want to play innocent now after all these statements you have made. No good.
It's about sexual intercourse for money.
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Women are biologically programmed to look for men who can be providers. These women are merely following their programming.
So they are programmed to be whores. If that is no bad then why are porn stars so bad?
I do not believe that all women are whores and I never would.
True. Virgins and 16 olds who screw loosers are not prostitutes by your book. Just the 80% other women.
(Any woman who receives financial compensation for sexual intercourse - as a profession). Whether or not it is part of a profession is the only technicality that matters.
That is NOT what your dictionary said. Why are you shifting the goal post NOW so late in the discussion.
Plus it's a moot excuse: housewife=profession. Housewife of a wealthy man = whore. Your argument not mine.
Clear enough yet for your thick skulls?
Very clear - just one more obfuscation attempt on your behalf to salvage a terminally lost argument and split the whores you like from the whores you want to insult.
Clear enough now?
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PhillyV49 — 11 years ago(October 01, 2014 01:30 PM)
"You simply want to play innocent now after all these statements you have made. No good."
You certainly do have a wild imagination. Play innocent? Because I simply mis-spoke and then shortly after, corrected myself? Wow, I didn't know I wan't allowed to make small errors in speech, lest I be accused of inconsistencies in logic.
"So they are programmed to be whores. If that is no bad then why are porn stars so bad?"
Quite clearly not what I said, or implied at all. Housewives are not whores. Those are your words, not mine.
"True. Virgins and 16 olds who screw loosers are not prostitutes by your book. Just the 80% other women."
Firstly, learn to spell. Secondly, once again, you're making far too strong of assumptions about my thought process, when what I'm saying couldn't be simpler. It's not my fault that that you fail to see it.
"That is NOT what your dictionary said. Why are you shifting the goal post NOW so late in the discussion."
Whore: a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet.
There's your dictionary definition right there. Try looking it up. There is no shifting of any goal post on my part. What I believe now is exactly what I believed at the beginning of this discussion.
"Very clear - just one more obfuscation attempt on your behalf to salvage a terminally lost argument and split the whores you like from the whores you want to insult."
Completely, 100% incorrect. You may disagree with me, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. There is no split between whores I like and whores I don't like. Women who are paid money to have sexual intercourse are whores. All other women who don't hold this profession are not whores. End of story.
"And for the third time: please explain to us why the paid aspect is such a turn off to you!"
Because it is the most ridiculous way to make a living, ever. It requires no skill or talent; literally anybody on the planet can do what they do for a paycheck that happens to be unnecessarily big. I don't care if there is demand for it. It is an entire industry whose main purpose is to provide an employment opportunity to whores who are too lazy to do anything meaningful with their lives.
Terminally lost argument? Please. You're the sad individual who can't seem to follow the simplest logic possible. Maybe someday you'll be able to think rationally, but it looks like today isn't your day, buddy. My position could not be simpler. -
quarrion-1 — 11 years ago(October 01, 2014 07:16 PM)
Because I simply mis-spoke and then shortly after, corrected myself? Wow, I didn't know I wan't allowed to make small errors in speech..
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Firstly, learn to spell.
a) you play innocent again. I did not refer to your misquote, I explicitly referred to your change of goalposts and your breaches in logic.
b) apply the principles you advocate, you hypocrite!
c) point out what you don't like or shut up.
Quite clearly not what I said, or implied at all. Housewives are not whores. Those are your words, not mine.
No. They are whores by YOUR definitions. Like it or not. Simply because you play dense and refuse to un111cderstand the consequence of your childish premises doesn't mean there are not there.
Whore: a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet.
There's your dictionary definition right there.
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any woman who receives financial compensation for sexual intercourse - as a profession
If you think you get away with such a cheap lie and escape, you are sorely mistaken kid!
First you give a dictionary definition and cling to it like a rabid monkey, then you try to sneak your "as a profession" part in. This is what adults call shifting of goalposts.
Again by your dictionary definition and your home brewed one, housewives are whores. Your words.
What I believe now is exactly what I believed at the beginning of this discussion.
That I buy. It is just that your world view is self contradictory. But as you tried to lie in this post, I don't quite buy the naive version of you.
Because it is the most ridiculous way to make a living, ever. It requires no skill or talent..
=> housewife, mother prototypes of what you try to insult here.
..literally anybody on the planet can do what they do for a paycheck that happens to be unnecessarily big.
No different from trophy wives and mainstream actresses. What counts is their looks. That is valued in this day and age.
I agree somewhat with you that this is unskilled labour but so are these other jobs.
Unlike prostitutes, mainstream porn stars need to be seriously good looking and they need to be sexually skilled. So their talent level and their assets, are several levels above the average sex worker. Here I disagree with you.
It is an entire industry whose main purpose is to provide an employment opportunity to whores who are too lazy to do anything meaningful with their lives.
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PhillyV49 — 11 years ago(October 01, 2014 10:43 PM)
Simply astounding. The fact that I've got you so riled up is evidence that you know you're running out of facts for your position. Not to mention, you keep calling me "kid," when you're the one speaking and acting like one. Seriously, how long do you want to keep doing this dance until you inevitably realize that you have no sound argument?
"> Whore: a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet.There's your dictionary definition right there.
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any woman who receives financial compensation for sexual intercourse - as a profession
If you think you get away with such a cheap lie and escape, you are sorely mistaken kid!
First you give a dictionary definition and cling to it like a rabid monkey, then you try to sneak your "as a profession" part in. This is what adults call shifting of goalposts.
Again by your dictionary definition and your home brewed one, housewives are whores. Your words."
What the hell, may I ask, is the difference between these two definitions? There is absolutely no lie on my part. What do you think the dictionary is implying when it provides that definition? It is implying that the sexual intercourse is for professional purposes, hence, "a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money." What else in the world could that possibly mean? You're seriously reaching, man. It's embarrassing.
The fact that you interpret that dictionary definition as applying to housewives is deeply concerning. In your mind, a woman who marries a rich man is essentially getting paid money for sexual intercourse? What an insulting oversimplification. Now I get a sense of how you think about women. Housewives are not whores and are not getting paid for having sex. Once again, those are YOUR words.
"Meaningful? You mean in contrast to a waitress or a clerk or a breeding machine? But I see your agenda much more clearly now."
Yeah, because those are the only three legitimate professions a woman can have, right? Good lord, you just keep digging yourself into a bigger and bigger hole. Meaningful as in: a doctor, a lawyer, a writer, an actor, etc. I really shouldn't have to spell this out for you.
I have no idea why you can't just recognize obvious facts when you see them; that porn stars are paid money for having sexual intercourse, which is directly in line with the dictionary definition of a prostitute/whore, thus, rendering these porn stars prostitutes/whores also. Just accept it. It's pure logic. But I guess it's quite evident that that's not your strength. Kid. -
quarrion-1 — 11 years ago(October 02, 2014 01:42 PM)
Not to mention, you keep calling me "kid," when you're the one speaking and acting like one.
Well I thought that this was nicer than 'dense'. And while you act dense now, I don't really believe that you are an idiot. But you are driven by an ideology and agenda and are incapable of arguing outside of it. As you demonstrated once more with the ideological term 'meaning'.
But to the point:
What the hell, may I ask, is the difference between these two definitions?
One is the dictionary one which you hold as authoritative and the other is your re-molded one so it fits your stereotypes.
What do you think the dictionary is implying when it provides that definition?
Nothing. A dictionary is not a sentient being with an opinion. For me dictionary definitions are irrelevant as they originate from times immemorial. You inscribe them the role as an arbiter hence i5b4f the dictionary meant something particular it has to spell it out. If it is not there, it cannot be implied as that is merely your opinion.
Which is was from the very start. Dictionary and courts ruled against you and so you vandalise the dictionary in order to confirm your bias.
It is implying that the sexual intercourse is for professional purposes, hence, "a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money.
Usually???? Now you want to include sexually active women under 'whores' as well? Just Jenna was right, this is what drove you all along. What a dishonest piece of propaganda! Playing pseudo-polite in order to take a stab against the women you cannot have. What a low trait you exhibit here!
The fact that you interpret that dictionary definition as applying to housewives is deeply concerning.
The only person here who relies on the dictionary is you. I use the term 'whore' only as an invective as most modern people do. I'd use sex worker otherwise for the umbrella and prostitute and porn star for two particular instances.
It was only you who tried to shame some women by barking 'whores' at them. But by the silly and ancient definition you dug up, this had to include housewives.
I would never call a housewife a prostitute as I would not call a porn star a prostitute.
In your mind, a woman who marries a rich man is essentially getting paid m111coney for sexual intercourse? What an insulting oversimplification.
Exactly! One you are guilty off all along!!!!
To make matters worse - you cannot really explain what the relationship to the rich man is based on other than just asserting that it is non-monetary. A pretty poor explanation.
Yeah, because those are the only three legitimate professions a woman can have, right?
So housewives and waitresses have no meaningful lives? What are you trying to say??? Do you never contemplate the scope of your claims???
Meaningful as in: a doctor, a lawyer, a writer, an actor, etc. I really shouldn't have to spell this out for you.
Ah you like other forms of money-grabbers. And of course not all actors as that would include porn stars.
But I am curious - why are these jobs meaningful? Just by your values, I am keen to know.
I have no idea why you can't just recognize obvious facts when you see them
Oh I do. The only evident fact here is that you have an agenda which you try to sneak in rather than to defend it. It might be even a worthy approach but you do not present it.
Just accept it. It's pure logic.
You still don't want to get it. While I do not use the word in such a sense, I take no issue with you defining 'whore' in such a way that it includes porn stars. But you have a problem that your mangled definition also includes women you hate less than porn stars: housewives. Women who in your book have no meaning in life but do not yet deserve to be called whores.
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PhillyV49 — 11 years ago(October 02, 2014 03:24 PM)
As I have repeatedly stated my case clearly and concisely and you continuously resort to the exact same rebuttals, I realize that there is no getting through to you. I'm confident that we both have far better things to do with our time, so I'm going to take this opportunity to bring an end to this debate, as it has run its course. Thank you for a lively discussion and enjoy your life.
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quarrion-1 — 11 years ago(October 04, 2014 10:27 AM)
As I have repeatedly stated my case clearly and concisely
You case is clear, your conclusions and deductions are clouded and inconsistent.
you continuously resort to the exact same rebuttals..
They come to the same result because you make the same mistakes over and over. Not really surprising.
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nobodies666 — 11 years ago(October 22, 2014 08:14 PM)
The have control of their careers and a good paycheck and ones like sasha became singers and actresses so ha
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renatom1 — 11 years ago(November 22, 2014 05:11 PM)
Female pornstars believe they are empowering themselves because what else are they going to believe? I mean, if you thought you were being degraded and yet continued to allow yourself to be degraded, then how could you live with yourself? So it is a self-delusion that allows them to live day by day.
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oregonziggy — 9 years ago(December 07, 2016 07:40 AM)
I agree they have no idea how men think. There is nothing empowering about being in porn, a stripper and escort or any other occupation that they are based solely on sex or how they look.
As for guys who treat strippers like goddesses , they are usually super lonely guys who crave any kind of attention from women and even will pay for it. Even though deep down they know it isn't real.
I also agree they have tell themselves that it is empowering because they reality of it is probably to much to think about.
Men don't look at a porn star or stripper and say way look how empowered she is. Quite the opposite.