Speaking on the general topic; I think "motive" is the wrong angle to look at the situation, whether it be from a murder
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billsanantonio — 13 years ago(September 22, 2012 10:20 AM)
Actually I can't believe, his girlfriend did it. In case she killed him, she probably wouldn't have run downstairs and beg everyone to tell the police, she hadn't been upstairs, especially when she was drunk. I don't imagine a drunk murderer running directly to some people around the corner and talking himself into a alibi.
I think, she was upset, because she wasn't guilty, but upstairs and no witness around to proof her innocence, so she ran down for help, to clear herself.
It might be, it was done by Mannixes henchmen, but I can't really imagine them get to Reeves, kill him and disappear into thin air. Besides, the girl would have mentioned them to the others, to clear herself.
The only plausible alternative to suicide for me is, it was a bigger conspiracy, with the girl, some killers and maybe some of the people downstairs involved. It couldn't have worked otherweise, in my opinion.
But why such an expenditure, just to kill a man? I mean, this was real life. No spy movie. I don't believe it.
It's sad, but I think it's most probable, it was suicide.
The girl might have confessed the murder later to a priest, but maybe she did it, because she felt guilty for having driven him into suicide or something like that.
Furthermore, I don't think Mannix initiated murders. He covered up much dirt (like the killing of Ted Healy, which is supposed to have been committed by Wallace Beery among others), but the risk of initiating a killing by himself?? Why?
On the other hand:
Even if it was for sure, George Reeves himself pulled the trigger, I wouldn't call it 'suicide', because he was under heavy influence of alcohol. As far as I know, this is evident.
With that much alcohol in your blood, you don't make decisions. You just follow impulses. It's even possible, he was just playing around with the weapon. John-Erik Hexum, for example, died in a similar way.
In my opinion, a suicide is only a suicide, if there is a clear decision behind it, which was made without the influence of alcohol or drugs, or if it'da0s clearly visible, the person planned death very well. Anything else is nothing more than an accident. George Reeves definitely shouldn't be considered as a man, who didn't want to live anymore. It's not fair to make believe, a so called 'suicide' in his case would be proof enough.
There are quite a lot of actors and other movie people, which are credited as having committed suicide, but with a lot of alcohol or drugs involved, I think.
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Hollywoodshack — 11 years ago(January 14, 2015 04:51 PM)
The book, Hollywood Cryptonite, tells all the facts that make it possible Reeves could have been murdered. Oil on the gun, no fingerprints, incomplete atopsies..car heard screeching away after he was shot..it's all there.
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princebuster82 — 11 years ago(February 26, 2015 12:06 AM)
"Hollywood Kryptonite" is a sensationalist piece of garbage devoid of any real facts. It was poorly researched and any "evidence" presented to show that Reeves death was anything but suicide is hearsay forty years removed from the actual events.
On powder burns: Reeves body was never checked for powder burns, so any claims that "there was no powder burns on his body" is merely speculation. The absence of any VISUAL signs of powder burns is consistent with the notion that Reeves held the gun away from his head rather than directly at it. This doesn't mean that someone else pulled the trigger, it just means that the gun was at least three inches away from his head- not an uncommon feat. It furthers my personal theory that he accidentally shot himself while drunkenly fumbling for the pistol.
There are no "incomplete" autopsies. There were two complete autopsies done that both arrived at the same conclusion: suicide.
Reeves slept in the nude and had no qualms about walking around with no clothes on. He was very proud of his body and would often stop and look at himself in the mirror and adjust his hair or flex a bicep. Add to this vanity a dose of inhibition reducing alcoholism and there's no reason to not believe he would have walked down to the party in his living room stark naked to kick everyone out.
There's no mystery here. I'd like to BELIEVE that someone murdered him, but there's just no evidence to support that theory. He was depressed, drunk, high on pills, and irritated by the party that was keeping him awake. He was known to brandish his gun when drunk and agitated and I believe that he got the gun out of the nightstand with the intention of waving it around to scare everyone into leaving and he accidentally pulled the hair-pin trigger. Such a waste. -
princebuster82 — 11 years ago(February 26, 2015 09:10 PM)
Why would he need to oil up the gun the night he died? Or are you suggesting that oil on a gun will evaporate within minutes? He could have oiled the gun weeks, months earlier.
You're obviously going to believe whatever you want to believe, reality be damned.
