could she have been saved? or was there no hope?
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My_Name_Is_Lydia — 15 years ago(August 08, 2010 07:27 PM)
jltyler, do you just argue with me for the sake of arguing? We both know that getting treatment right away would have made a HUGE difference.
Oh, I forgot that it's like you were there. My bad.
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jltyler — 15 years ago(August 08, 2010 07:48 PM)
Lydib68a, do you just sit around and wait for me to post on this subject so you can deny the fact that even if she'd agreed to be taken to the hospital, the hospital they would have taken her to is the local onesans MRI, sans brain surgeon, sans everything?
According to the time-line, they kept her in the local hospital "under observation" for nearly two hours before DRIVING her for another five wasted hours to the hospital in Montreal that might have been able to save her life. I wasn't there; I didn't make this up. It's in the published report that's been posted on this board. -
My_Name_Is_Lydia — 15 years ago(August 28, 2010 04:38 PM)
Obviously, I don't sit around waiting for you to spout off your authority because I'm just getting around to revisiting this board.
I have no idea where you're getting this timeline, but it's wrong. She finb68ally was taken from the resort around 3, meaning she refused treatment for 2 hours. She was at the hospital in Montreal around 7.
So check your math, k?
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jltyler — 15 years ago(August 28, 2010 07:12 PM)
Timeline from Globe & Mail -
12:43PM: first 911 call from the resort
1PM: paramedics arrive
3PM: second 911 call for an ambulance
3:09: medics arrive; Natasha is reportedly conscious but showing signs of "instability"
3:39: medics load her by stretcher into the ambulance after tending to her for half an hour. [HALF AN HOUR???]
4:20: ambulance arrives at the small hospital in Ste-Agathe. This is not a 20 minute ride as originally reported. So why on earth would she be sent there if she is showing signs of neurological instb68ability.
6:15PM: Natasha is sent by ambulance to Sacre-Coeur in Montreal. [They kept her at a hospital that could do nothing for her for nearly two hours.]
7:15PM: Natasha arrives at Sacre-Coeur.
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My_Name_Is_Lydia — 15 years ago(August 28, 2010 07:37 PM)
Where the hell did you get this part of your previous post: "before DRIVING her for another five wasted hours to the hospital in Montreal"
Again, check your math. Or stop making things up that seem to refute the facts that you KNOW.
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jltyler — 15 years ago(August 28, 2010 09:56 PM)
Apologies. My bad. It was only four wasted hours, beginning at 3:15p.m. when the paramedics arrived at Mont Tremblant the second time to 7:15p.m. when they finally arrived at the hospital in Montreal. By which time it was too late to save her.
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My_Name_Is_Lydia — 15 years ago(August 29, 2010 11:06 AM)
Cool. Now back to my original point. A third of the time that it took to make it to a hospital that could have helped her was spent waiting for Ms. Richardson to accept help. And, face it, we don't know what would have happened if she had gone with the first ambulance but you can't deny the possibility of it making a world of difference.
Again, I5b4'm not dogging her. She had her son and his friend there and I'll bet she was thinking looking after them. I miss her and I grieve for her family. But I wish someone would have been there who could have convinced her not to be so brave.
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jltyler — 15 years ago(August 29, 2010 11:25 AM)
"Again, I'm not dogging her. She had her son and his friend there and I'll bet she was thinking looking after them. I miss her and I grieve for her family. But I wish someone would have been there who could have convinced her not to be so brave."
Okay. I certainly agree about that. Natasha's downfall was that she was the one who always took care of everyone else.
But even if she'd gone with the first ambulence, if they'd followed the same procedure, i.e. driven her first to the hospital, where they watched her for two hours until she showed the tell-tale symptoms of brain injury even though they had no means of treating her(!!!), then taken her by road to the hospital in Montreal, chances are it still would have been too late to save her.
If someone falls on their head, why take them to a hospital that doesn't have the wherewithal to treat traumatic head injuries? Why deny an emergency helicopter to an area where there's a ski resort at which people are learning to ski and do fall a lot? Sorry, but as a firm believer in a single-payer health care system, I still have to say that Quebec's version of it (unlike the rest of Canada's) really sucks and might well have been responsible for her death. -
Jake3988 — 15 years ago(September 22, 2010 01:59 PM)
Again, there's a period of lucidity. She thought she was fine when in actuality, she was slowly losing oxygen to her brain.
By the time you feel the pain, it's usually too late to fix it.
By the time she got to the hospital, she was near death and they transfered her to New York solely to be closer to family.