Has anyone ever heard of it?
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gpicto — 14 years ago(January 05, 2012 08:36 PM)
That Paul in France thing isn't surprising, since the Beatles couldn't stick their heads outside without fans mobbing them.
Yea, that DJ pointed out the "clues" and we don't know whether he noticed them himself, or if someone tipped him off. I guess we'll never know. It's possible Paul himself got the ball rolling. But only the Beatles could have placed all those Paul Paul Paul "clues" in there and the clues go back for a few years before the DJ called attention to them. A friend told me in 1991 that Paul had recently claimed that the Beatles placed the clues only after the DJ broke the story, which makes zero sense chronologically, as they had already had their final recording session by then, except for I Me Mine.
The hoax was pretty good for the Fab Four, in terms of fan interest and media attention not that they were lacking in either. But the timing seemed unfortunate for Paul, who had withdrawn to Scotland and wanted privacy when the media came calling.
But for those who dismiss the clues as "imagination", I always ask if they know about the Sgt. Pepper drum clue. That can't be a wild "co-incidence".
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gpicto — 14 years ago(January 06, 2012 11:56 AM)
Yes, according to Philip Norman's Shout, a journalist went to see Paul, at his Scottish home in autumn, 1969. Paul was furious and chased the guy away, enabling him to get some unflattering photos of Macca. But Paul cooled off, caught up with the guy and cajoled the roll of film from him, in exchange for an interview. Paul assured that he was alive, but added that if he were dead, he'd probably be the last one to know.
I don't doubt the Beatles planted all the "clues" as a joke, but then they came to light at a kind of delicate point in time, when Paul was having to come to grips with the group's inexorable demise.
It's possible the Paul is Dead thing was what John was alluding to in Cry Baby Cry, with the line about "Voices out of nowhere, put on especially by the children for a lark".
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Actorsactiondotorg — 14 years ago(January 06, 2012 02:16 PM)
Given the bitter hostilities between Paul and John in the 70s, if it had been a deliberate hoax the band agreed to do, John would have probably confessed to it - or blamed Paul for thinking up the plan, etc.
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gpicto — 14 years ago(January 06, 2012 02:28 PM)
That is possible but John's feelings toward Paul in the 1970s really swung back and forth like a pendulum. He recorded How Do You Sleep?, attacking Paul (with George on lead guitar lol), but later recanted, coming to the conclusion that, in the song, "I was really attacking meself.", as I heard John say in an interview. We know Paul was visiting John one weekend in 1975, and watching SNL. Someone on SNL invited John and Paul to turn up at NBC, offering them some kind of payment if they would, and they almost did.
But John was highly ambivalent in his feelings towards Paul, as he was towards his own father in the 70s, and maybe towards 1000 other memories. But I'll bet John told Yoko everything about the hoax and she might spill the beans some day.
But if you know about the Sgt Pepper drum clue, do you really think that has no significance?
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gpicto — 14 years ago(January 07, 2012 06:13 PM)
We know Paul did the drumming on many songs and it's possible John liked Paul's drumming, overall, better than Ringo's. Maybe, maybe not.
And when John remarked to a reporter in 1969 how Apple was losing money fast and they could be broke in six months, Paul's response was something like, "You know John's always shooting his mouth off without thinking!"
And JL's temper is legend. I've read that JL jumped Linda and started punching her (at Apple), and Paul had to pull him off Linda. The story could be false but it wouldn't shock me if it were true.
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ActorMan22 — 14 years ago(March 25, 2012 05:37 PM)
The Beatles didn't perpetrate the hoax. Lennon, usually reliable on these things, in The Playboy interview that appeared after he died(yes, he's really dead) says they didn't start it, "We wouldn't be so vulgar".
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gpicto — 14 years ago(March 25, 2012 09:14 PM)
Who but the Beatles themselves could have put all those "clues" on their album covers, into their lyrics, in the background of the songs?
But I don't blame the Beatles for denying it all. There's no satisfaction in admitting the truth of the situation. As Lennon said in Cry, Baby, Cry, it was voices out of nowhere, put on 'specially by the children, for a lark.
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Shaolin_Apu — 14 years ago(March 27, 2012 12:45 AM)
If you look hard, you would find similar glues too, like George was actually a woman, Ringo did not replace Pete and that Lennon's twin brotha occasionally was used as a double. It's all sheer UFO sighting.
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spyders — 14 years ago(January 06, 2012 05:23 PM)
Sorry guys, I don't buy any of it for a second. I don't believe that what you guys are calling "clues" are "clues" at all. I remember in 1967 or 1968, whenever it was, when we started hearing those rumors, we started scouring "Sgt Pepper" and "Magical Mystery Tour" for clues and I can assure you we found dozens of them. Probably some that you guys have never even heard of before. This is precisely how these rumors spread. Vivid imaginations.
It's fun game but in the end, it is of no consequence, it's just a game. It was not a plot by the Beatles.
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jefgg — 11 years ago(January 19, 2015 07:37 AM)
The interpretation of the "Abbey Road" album cover symbolized a funeral procession, where Lennon, dressed in white, symbolized the clergyman or heavenly figure. Ringo Starr, dressed in black, symbolized the undertaker or mourner. George Harrison, in denim jeans and shirt, symbolized the gravedigger and McCartney, barefoot and out of step with other members of the band, symbolized the corpse.
Another clue is the words spoken by John Lennon in the final section of the song "Strawberry Fields Forever" are "I buried Paul". Lennon later explained the words were actually "cranberry sauce". -
bastasch8647 — 10 years ago(August 29, 2015 01:11 AM)
If anyone still wants to kick this around, the following site does have enough stuff in it to make me rub my chin and say, "Hmmm what if?" Not claiming Paul Is Dead, but the site does raise a couple of interesting questions and issues -
http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/index.html
I'd love some scholars on here to select a few points and refute them if they are refutable.