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doktormom — 18 years ago(March 19, 2008 07:44 PM)
Actually, blood clots and hemorrhage are polar opposites. Your prescription for Coumadin would have caused the man to bleed out that much sooner. There is much more involved here than we are aware. Suffice to say, this is a terrible tragedy.
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filmgirl102 — 18 years ago(March 18, 2008 05:28 PM)
My grandfather died of the same thing, it's more common then one may think. He was fine the day of the surgery and then a few days later he was gone. It's a horrible thing and I would never wish upon anyone. I feel for Anthony's family and my thoughts are with them.
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napfeny — 18 years ago(March 18, 2008 06:02 PM)
and these people are supposed to take care of you
Go figure.
My trust in doctors has decreased in the past yearsI'm sure we've all had bad experiences when it comes to 'the ones that have a license to practice medicine'
I know a lot of them try really hard to, indeed, make life better, but there's a bunch of them who just do not have a clueeven if they did great at medical school.
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doktormom — 18 years ago(March 20, 2008 12:25 PM)
This post is ignorant on so many levels, I wouldn't even know where to begin. It sounds as if you picked up a few sound bites and are passing them along as fact. Having dealt with health care extensively both personally and with various family members, I can assure you that if you should ever become seriously ill, there's no place you would rather be than here. In fact, this is exactly where the residents of so-called "smarter" countries come when their socialized system doesn't find their care cost effective or the wait for treatment is prohibitive.
Yes, health care is an industry and thank God! If there weren't money to be made, why would the best and the brightest be working on procedures and medications to treat disease? When will all those in favor of socialized medicine realize that, in the real world, you get what you pay for and that's about what it's worth? In case you haven't noticed, formerly socialized nations recognized it a long time ago while waiting on interminable lines for food, clothing and medical care.
How dare you sit there in your comfy home, in front of your computer and call your own country stupid! I have no idea why you feel afraid of the government but I don't know a single other person who has ever expressed that fear to me. You sound like a petulant teenager telling his parents why everyone else's parents are better and I have the same answer for you that I'd give themthere's the door. Canada's so much smarter and really not very far away. -
kennelman — 18 years ago(March 19, 2008 09:19 AM)
Hmm I had the same Op (for the same reasons) and suffered the same complication some nine days after. It affects about one in thirty patients in older life (Im 49) The blood loss is quite spectacular for the relatively small size of the wound. Because it had bled down my throat into the stomach while I was sleeping, I vomited large quantities of blood for some time before I got myself to the A&E. I was admonished by the Doctor for not taking it seriously, and she told me it was life threatening, something I now believe after these terrible events.
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c3mason — 18 years ago(March 19, 2008 10:08 PM)
"I read this an immediately knew what went wrong."
Sorry to be an A-hole, but medicine is more detailed than "readingimmediately." Its always harmful to those involved and those viewing when one jumps to conclusions, and that's exactly what you're doing. Who know's exactly what went wrong?
Also you're tirade on the US healthcare system is laughable, why? Because he died in Europe! There's problems with almost every system, whether in the US or Africa but to blame the US healthcare system on his death? please! Did he leave the hospital early? Was it due to his HMO? Who know's, but please don't place blame on those not involved. Its a sad day, we all lost a very talented person. Try not to place blame, especially those not involved.
Also, like another poster pointed out, post-op patients aren't given coumadin EVER, for various reasons. I'm sure the doctors weren't slacking when Mr. Minghella came into their OR.
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Wallabean — 18 years ago(March 20, 2008 04:11 AM)
I am an American who has experienced both sides of national health. I've lived in the US and had excellent care and have lived in the UK now for almost ten years. I have stayed in the exact same hospital that Mr. Minghella died in and my husband had a very serious op in it too. Luckily, we were both ok, but I hate going to any NHS hospital.
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doktormom — 18 years ago(March 20, 2008 12:44 PM)
Thank you for one of the few well-informed responses. While a family member was receiving a kidney transplant, I witnessed first hand how many patients were here from other countries because their own socialized systems didn't deem them worthy of treatment- and would have allowed them to remain on dialysis or die rather than "waste" a kidney on the elderly or even a young diabetic. Just because everyone is entitled to care doesn't necessarily mean it will be good care. We may not have it perfect but I'd still rather be here than anywhere else in the world.
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doktormom — 18 years ago(March 20, 2008 04:11 PM)
I don't plan to lose any sleep if you ignore me but anyway, I most certainly read every word of what you had to say including this: ' "hemmorrhage" . that's a fancy way of saying stroking out', which led me to conclude that you considered hemorrhage and stroke to mean the same thing.
I never claimed to be a doctor- I made it clear that my judgments were drawn from personal experience. and don't recall calling you any names in the process. The user ID is for personal reasons that have nothing to do with this discussion.
You yourself say you don't know the details but are ready to assume that it's someone's fault. It's always sad when these things happen but sometimes they just do. I wouldn't consider my response to your post a rant but yours seems a bit out of control. I guess it's all part of some vast conspiracy, right? -
dingoespain — 18 years ago(March 22, 2008 10:23 AM)
Well stated, dmom!
I'm not fond of people that jump to conclusions that some sort of conspiracy happened. It's a terrible tragedy when someone as talented and gifted such as Anthony Minghella dies, but no need to stir up more drama because of it.
I appreciate your thoughts on the subject, even if others did not. With people like that, I think they just like the sound of their own voice (or in this case, read their own thoughts). -
doktormom — 18 years ago(March 23, 2008 04:29 PM)
Thanks for taking the time to let me know that, dingoespain. I was somewhat surprised at the reaction of that other poster since the post he considered a rant wasn't even directed at him.
I'm a fairly new poster here but I don't plan to push that ignore button unless someone is abusive or threatening in some way. IMO, the whole point of a message board is to share different opinions and outlooksif we're only here to pat each other on the back it'll get boring pretty fast. So feel free to agree or disagree that's what it's all about. -
rancorrblackmane — 18 years ago(March 20, 2008 04:36 PM)
Just my two cents as a Canadian:
Our socialized health care system worked quite well before it was gutted during a relatively recent administration. It was quite laudable when it was properly funded with a fair system of checks and balances. This is probably true for any sector of society, ergo it follows that socialized health care isn't necessarily better or worse than privatized health care. It is simply vastly dependent upon the priority it is given by its adjudicating government.
We're workin' on ours again. Perhaps it'll regain its former prestige.
Back to the point, regardless of the speculation on the cause of it, I regret Mr. Minghella's passing. He was a gifted storyteller, and he will be missed.Rancorr Blackmane, Freeblade.