I lo111cved the interview, but I have to note a few things.
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aurelie_ledoyen — 14 years ago(May 03, 2011 10:20 PM)
I lo111cved the interview, but I have to note a few things.
Oprah made a pretty accurate observation that Shania blamed "the other woman" a lot more for the infidelity than her husband. I'd go as far as to say that she hardly blamed Mutt at all.
She even went as far as to apologize to him that his name was being dragged through the mud because he's such a private person. WOW. She's very forgiving to him, more than I could be.
Another thng is, she cannot even stand to ever see her ex-best friend again..understandable. But when Oprah asked, "but how will you deal with the fact that your son has to have her in his life?", she said she already talked with her ex-husband and said that the woman is to NEVER be part of her son's life. How is this possible, since Mutt and that ugly woman are still together?
Moreover, even if it were possible, how could Shania ever trust that guy to tell the truth about it anyway?
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Kimberley717 — 14 years ago(May 04, 2011 01:15 PM)
I had a problem with that portion of the interview also. She FORBIDS her son to be around this woman, who was her friend, & is now with her ex-husband..who is also the ex-wife of her new husband. She took it as far as to say something along the lines of 'I threatened that if he didn't agree to it, I'd take our son & move all the way across the world'. I can't say I understand the level of pain, embarrassment & hurt they put her through but I do understand the need to want to strike out & keep your child away from people who have hurt you. However, it's just not practical. If her ex is planning to be with this woman long term (did they get married also?) HOW can Shania enforce her threat? Because that's what it was. She said there'd been enough hurt & she didn't want more or anything like that around her son. That's commendable & all, but she's fragmenting his life & he's what, 11? He knows his father has a relationship with this other woman-this secrecy is just, I don't know, it won't work.
And one more point.She married the friends ex husband. Ok, anyone else think she fell in love with him (& he with her) because they each understood the pain the other was going through? *Rebound possibl5b4y? I don't want to say it won't/can't work, but it just seems she was in a very fragile spot (as was he, I imagine) & they were the only 2 feeling that pain, so they naturally gravitated to each other. A love borne out of pain & misery. I don't knowseems kinda sad. Twisted as she said on Oprah.
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aurelie_ledoyen — 14 years ago(May 05, 2011 05:53 AM)
maybe I'm twisted too,(lOL) but I love that she got together with her ex bf's ex! Poetic justice, in my opinion!
I really do hope it works out, though, because you are right.it could be just double rebound/revenge on both their parts. However, I hope above hopes that it is not, and that they will last.
As for her son, I agreehe's not stupid. He probably knows/understands a lot more than she thinks he does. Would I want to pick my son up from my ex's and have him talk about what he and my ex-best friend did all day? Hell no. But the alternative would be to let my son's imagination wander about who this other woman is, because he's never seen her. I'd also be having to be on my ex like white on rice and be sure he is not sneaking her around the house. And that would take up too much of my energy and spirit.
In short, I agree with you that it's just not practical.
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thepoet26 — 14 years ago(May 10, 2011 09:53 AM)
I also view Shania ending up with her friend's ex as a form of poetic justice. Glad someone else agrees. Having said that, I do think Shania still carries some emotional baggage from her split with Mutt. If she didn't, she would be more sensible than to say on national television that she threatened to move her son across the world from Mutt if he ever exposed the child to his wife. I'm not saying those kind of feelings aren't natural to have but it's been several years now and if Shania and her new husband are solid and secure, happy and in love, then she should be past those kind of actions.
I'm speaking from experience on this. Years ago, I went through something very similar and was able to move past it. I spent a few years bitter about it until I realized I had my own life to live, and giving the ex and his concerns that much of my attention was taking from my own existence. I'm not saying she should hold hands with the woman or encourage her son to have a relationship with her- I just think it's unrealistic to think he will
never
have contact with that woman, being that she is now his stepmother. I could care less about Mutt and his whore but it puts on an unnecessary burden on the child involved. For instance, let's say Mutt fails to obey Shania's orders and has their son around his wife. Their son is then stuck with the confusion of having to choose between mom and dad. Does he remain loyal to Mom, and immediately let her know what's going on? Or does he remain loyal to Dad and keep quiet about it? Not a good spot for a kid to be in, IMO and frankly, I think a situation such as that is inevitable, given the circumstances.
I am happy for Shania, though and hope she has found the kind of love she deserves. I'm not judging her because, as I said, I know what the burn of being left for another woman is like. I just think she's still in the bitter stage even as she tries to move on. I commend her for her honesty and hopefully time will heal the wound she still carries.
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Kimberley717 — 14 years ago(May 05, 2011 07:17 AM)
I want to go back & revisit what I wrote
I still agree with everything I stated previously; I don't think Shania can expect this arrangement she's forced upon Mutt (& the "friend") regarding her son to last permanently. When he gets a few years older, I just don't see how that will ever work. If he's involved in sports, birthday parties, just anything, that woman (what's her name, Marianne?) she will just never be around? I don't see how that can work-especially if she & Mutt share a home. BUT, I understand Shaina's gut instinct to
want
things that way and to never want to lay eyes on her again. I guess any woman would. <-Anyone who's been betrayed.
Her interview with Oprah was insightful & honest. And I do think we saw a glimpse of the pain she suffered at the breakup of her marriage/family. Although, I do agree that she seems much more forgiving with her ex-husband than with her ex-friend.
I can't imagine the humiliating she experienced & I'm glad she's made it through.
I do hope this new marriage makes it. I'm extremely cynical (personal fault) but I hope she's found true happiness.
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Do Shaina's new husband & his ex-wife have children together? I don't know if that's been addressed.
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thepoet26 — 14 years ago(June 12, 2011 05:23 AM)
I think Shania is too sympathetic toward Mutt, too. So much so that I actually stopped watching her new show because of it. I'm not saying she should be angry and bitter at this stage but she seems to feel the need to
defend
him, as if he was swept off his feet by her friend. As you said, both parties betrayed her yet she doesn't seem to hold him responsible for much of it, making it come across as though she is still in love with him and married her friend's ex just to get even.
I'm all for Shania finding love again and really hope things work out for her and her new husband but they'll need more to base their marriage on than bitterness toward their ex's. That's why it annoys me so to see Shania still so openly concerned with Mutt.
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nolaladyj — 14 years ago(June 12, 2011 12:11 PM)
Agree with the whole sentiment of, why no anger towards Mutt? (Having been cheated on my my ex, I sure as H*LL blamed him, although it wasn't a friend of mine he cheated with, let alone my best friend.) I think Shania has some deep-seated issues about men. I read that her book goes into sexual abuse by her stepfather, which she really dismisses, because her stepfather was a "wonderful" man. I'm sorry, a "w111conderful" man doesn't take advantage of little girls in his charge. She probably saw her mother forgive a LOT at the hands of this man, and it has colored her thinking about him and set some kind of pattern later on for her feelings and attitude in her own marriage to Mutt.
Having said that, I think it takes a lot of courage to bare her soul every week on "Why not?" and I find her endearingly honest. Though I have serious doubts about the wisdom of marrying the man who was married to your "enemy" (and I don't think she has really fully resolved her feelings for Mutt) I'm rooting for her all the way. I'll be tuned in every week. -
Jelly-4 — 12 years ago(November 06, 2013 03:45 PM)
Just saw a clip of an interview Shania did with ABC.
She says she is still mad at her ex-husband.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/shania-twain-makes-comeback-20799162/
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kvc2 — 10 years ago(June 03, 2015 09:36 AM)
Her book states that her stepfather came into her room and whispered insulting (really ghastly) words and sentences to her. But there's no inference that he touched her. God knows sneaking in5b4to a girl's room while she is asleep and whispering stuff into her ears is weird enough.
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the_hype01 — 14 years ago(May 05, 2011 05:42 AM)
This interview was very candid. In fact, it's the most real and insightful interview I believe Shania has ever given. Granted, it's to promote her new book and show on OWN. I've always loved her, but could never really grasp the type of person she is, and it could be all an act, but if that was the genuine Eileen Twain..wow, she's very forgiving and humble, even going as far as revealing her most vulernable and 'pathetic' moments.
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Ginger42256 — 14 years ago(May 05, 2011 08:43 AM)
Parents have the right to make the choices on what types of people they want their children to be around. She doesn't want to expose her son to an adulterer. She HAS to share him with the father which is bad example enough. She doesn't need to expose her child to the woman daddy cheated on mommy with. It is her right as a parent to do so and she is right for setting those boundaries.
She isn't wrong for keeping her son away from that woman.
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ShilohJoliePitt — 14 years ago(May 08, 2011 04:09 PM)
Shania did in fact blame the other woman and not her husband. From the letter she read it really sounded like she was ready to take her husband back.
She begged for the other woman to leave them alone. It almost sounded like she's still in love with her ex husband and yes marrying her husbands friend was a rebound and revenge move. After all that she still seemed stuck on the friend. That ex-friend's memory will always be present. How can Shania fully EVER move on? She married her friends ex and now she has to worry if the friend is around her kid. It's all to much. She should've fought for full custody, moved, and never married her friends husband.
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Ginger42256 — 14 years ago(May 09, 2011 05:25 PM)
Some people can forgive. Nothing wrong with fighting for your marriage or your husband back. If you truly love a man you will forgive and fight for him.Ok maybe not "forgive" but certainly put it behind you and fight for your marriage. I know as much as it hurt I would. I've been there and it was the worst pain in the world but I did fight for him because I do love him. In the end the other woman wonn but at least I fought for him as much as I could.
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nbulous — 14 years ago(June 06, 2011 08:26 AM)
Does anybody think it might be her new husband Fred (the ex-husband of her ex-best friend) that masterminded this whole thing?
Think about it. Mutt and Marie-Anne repeatedly have denied any relationship. What evidence is there that these two actually hooked up?
I'm thinking Fred is the one who led Shania to believe that Marie-Anne and Mutt were having an affair. Just look what it ultimately got Fred: a
major
upgrade in the wife department.
Fred is the one who gained the most, IMO. I mean, what heterosexual male, married or otherwise,
wouldn't
plot and scheme to have Shania?
So the theory is that Marie-Anne and Mutt have never had an affair. It was a scheme devised by Fred to ultimately nab the prize of Shania, and it worked to perfection.
Thoughts?
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nbulous — 14 years ago(June 06, 2011 06:53 PM)
Didn't Shania say that she confronted Marianne and asked her to leave Mutt alone, and Marianne responded that she has no control over who Mutt loves? It was during an Access Hollywood interview, and I would guess that it's in her book too. I guess part of your theory 111cwould be that Marianne is in on Fred's scheme? But what about Mutt? He's apparently agreed not to have their son around Marianne. If they weren't together, why would he agree to that condition?
I'm just going off of what I saw on Oprah and "Why not? with Shania Twain" so I'm not as familiar with the situation as you seem to be.
I thought she tried to contact Marie-Anne, but Marie-Anne never answered her phone and changed her number. And even if she did make that statement, what does that really prove? Isn't that a true statement? If taken out of context, sure, it could be an implication of guilt, but in what context did she make that statement?
Marie-Anne wouldn't have to be in on it. Why would she need to be? She and Fred would just have to be estranged. After Fred sees that Shania and Mutt have divorced, he pounces and launches his premeditated diabolical plan to win his long coveted quarry.
As far as Mutt agreeing not to have his son around Marie-Anne, it could be that Mutt is just humoring Shania to get her off his case, as per the following. Suppose he isn't really having an affair with Marie-Anne. No matter what he says, he still has to listen to Shania constantly insist that they are having an affair. In frustration, when he hears Shania further insist that he not let his son around Marie-Anne, maybe he's like "Okay whatever" in a tone of resignation?
We don't have enough context and details to rule this type of stuff out. I just look at Fred on "Why Not?" and I see a look on his face like the cat that swallowed the canary.
Yeah, yeah, I know. It's probably not true, but I'm just sayingknow what I'm saying?
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